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Dier Hard said:
Thought you’d quite like the idea of Allegri, think he’s a very sound and smart manager.

Marcelino and ten Hag could be interesting options though, the Ajax side that ten Hag built was reminiscent of the Monaco side Jardim built a few years back.
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My issue with Allegri is similar to Simeone. I want to be entertained watching my team play and neither manager have a style of play that I would deem to be joyful. Yeah they can solidify a defence and can be tactical wizards, but I don't want to see low-scoring games every week, where we score 1 or 2 goals, then sit off and see the game out.

Also, with Allegri, he is the type of manager that adds the finishing touches to a team that is almost ready-made. He can't build or transform a side like how Klopp has done with Liverpool, for example. Arsenal don't have an 'almost' challenging team yet, so he wouldn't be effective for us.

Ten Hag and Marcelino are both progressive managers with fluent, attacking football embedded into their philosophies. They also have histories of rebuilding teams in their image and making it work. That's what I would like to see.

I want to enjoy watching Arsenal play. Wenger, Gazidis and now Emery have sapped that enthusiasm from me.
 
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C. Kane said:
Have a lovely week everyone <cheers>

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Ty is such a dickhead. He's like a child, but most kids actually have more maturity and football understanding than him.
Claude just needs to stop going and get some therapy. He's clearly depressed and understandably so.
 
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Man Utd have had more Premier League penalties this season than we got in the last one. After five games! <laugh>
11 in 26 under Solskjaer. We've had 8 in 81.
 
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vimhawk said:
Solskjaer was asked about pens. He said that because of VAR it's not surprising they've got 4 penalties in 5 games. No comment needed really.
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The difference is that they get awarded them, then they're checked on VAR and it goes along with whatever the ref's originally given.
Other teams don't get the foul awarded, VAR checks and still backs the ref, so it's not a penalty.
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
Man Utd have had more Premier League penalties this season than we got in the last one. After five games! <laugh>
11 in 26 under Solskjaer. We've had 8 in 81.
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Last season was the exception to the rule.
Contrary to popular belief and myth, Utd don't usually get the most penalties awarded (or anywhere near the most).
In the five seasons prior to last season, Spurs got 28 awarded, Utd 20.
Probably because you did more attacking.
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
Last season was the exception to the rule.
Contrary to popular belief and myth, Utd don't usually get the most penalties awarded (or anywhere near the most).
In the five seasons prior to last season, Spurs got 28 awarded, Utd 20.
Probably because you did more attacking.
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I believe it goes Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea, Newcastle, Everton in Premier League history.
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
Last season was the exception to the rule.
Contrary to popular belief and myth, Utd don't usually get the most penalties awarded (or anywhere near the most).
In the five seasons prior to last season, Spurs got 28 awarded, Utd 20.
Probably because you did more attacking.
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We have had 8 penalties since we left the old white hart lane in May 2017.
(1 this season, 3 last season and 4 the previous).
That's 81 matches...

In that time palace have had 21 penalties...palace are not an attacking team by any stretch of the imagination.

United have had 19 penalties in that time.

That is a big discrepancy.
And when you watch some of the decisions it simply makes no sense.
The Leiecester game last season springs to mind. Son was fouled, got booked for diving and then a Leicester player was given a penslty for an almost identical incident.
I am sure a lot of clubs can point to similar situations but there is no consistency and when ex refs admit they were swayed by certsjn msnager reactions and grounds into giving decisions it is hardly surprising that fans are suspicious.

Personally I think that the standard of refereeing is simply piss poor at the moment and has been the case for quite a while.

God knows what they answer is though.
 
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remembercolinlee said:
We have had 8 penalties since we left the old white hart lane in May 2017.
(1 this season, 3 last season and 4 the previous).
That's 81 matches...

In that time palace have had 21 penalties...palace are not an attacking team by any stretch of the imagination.

United have had 19 penalties in that time.

That is a big discrepancy.
And when you watch some of the decisions it simply makes no sense.
The Leiecester game last season springs to mind. Son was fouled, got booked for diving and then a Leicester player was given a penslty for an almost identical incident.
I am sure a lot of clubs can point to similar situations but there is no consistency and when ex refs admit they were swayed by certsjn msnager reactions and grounds into giving decisions it is hardly surprising that fans are suspicious.

Personally I think that the standard of refereeing is simply piss poor at the moment and has been the case for quite a while.

God knows what they answer is though.
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Anthony Taylor is probably our best referee and he has been rewarded by UEFA with a CL match. UEFA apper to have more of a clue than our lot who think the sun shines out the arse's of Michael o'Liver_pool and Mike Dean
 
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Here are the Premier League all time statistics for the 6 ever present clubs in the PL era:

Penalties for:

Penaltypool - 151
Man Utd - 137
Chelsea - 128
Arsenal - 124
Everton - 112
Spurs - 108

Others worthy of a mention Man City 108, Newcastle United 107

Penalties against:

Spurs - 110
Everton - 103
Arsenal - 103
Liverpool - 94
Chelsea - 69
Man Utd - 63

Others worthy of a mention Aston Villa 109, Newcastle 106, WHU 101


Difference between penalties for and against:

Man Utd +74
Chelsea +59
Liverpool +57
Arsenal +21
Everton +9
Spurs -2

So to summarize, unsurprisingly Man Utd have enjoyed the most fortune with penalty kicks, probably due to the Gammon Face era, Chelsea come in second, probably due to their brown paper bag era and Pool well clear in third, due to general benefit of doubt.

Any surprises?

Surprising that Everton come in 5th, considering they have been mid table and lower for a large percentage of the PL seasons.

Unbelievably, Spurs have conceded more penalties than they have been awarded in the PL era, and out of all the ever present clubs have conceded the most and been awarded the fewest penalty kicks.
 
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deedub93 said:
Anthony Taylor is probably our best referee and he has been rewarded by UEFA with a CL match. UEFA apper to have more of a clue than our lot who think the sun shines out the arse's of Michael o'Liver_pool and Mike Dean
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He's not a terrible referee by any means but his officiating of the NLD at Wembley last season was a truly ****ing desperate display. I've never seen Harry Kane so angry with an official

He also awarded a penalty to the Gooners against Brighton, in last season's run in, for an appalling dive by Monreal, so I am suspicious of his affiliation to 'them'.

We really need some VAR officials to come from the previous generation to break through the current 'old pals act'.
 
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I read somewhere our record with Anthony Taylor in charge of our games is poor, I don`t know the stats for sure but our average points earned in games he officiates is one of the worst, if not the worst, compared to all the others, apparently.
 
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Billy The Yid said:
Here are the Premier League all time statistics for the 6 ever present clubs in the PL era:

Penalties for:

Penaltypool - 151
Man Utd - 137
Chelsea - 128
Arsenal - 124
Everton - 112
Spurs - 108

Others worthy of a mention Man City 108, Newcastle United 107

Penalties against:

Spurs - 110
Everton - 103
Arsenal - 103
Liverpool - 94
Chelsea - 69
Man Utd - 63

Others worthy of a mention Aston Villa 109, Newcastle 106, WHU 101


Difference between penalties for and against:

Man Utd +74
Chelsea +59
Liverpool +57
Arsenal +21
Everton +9
Spurs -2

So to summarize, unsurprisingly Man Utd have enjoyed the most fortune with penalty kicks, probably due to the Gammon Face era, Chelsea come in second, probably due to their brown paper bag era and Pool well clear in third, due to general benefit of doubt.

Any surprises?

Surprising that Everton come in 5th, considering they have been mid table and lower for a large percentage of the PL seasons.

Unbelievably, Spurs have conceded more penalties than they have been awarded in the PL era, and out of all the ever present clubs have conceded the most and been awarded the fewest penalty kicks.
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When you consider how much time Utd spent in the oppostion penalty area compared to those opponents under SAF, the stats hardly prove any bias.
To the contrary.
Utd getting just over twice as many penalties as teams who were dominated seems to be an injustice.
I demand an inquiry.
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
When you consider how much time Utd spent in the oppostion penalty area compared to those opponents under SAF, the stats hardly prove any bias.
To the contrary.
Utd getting just over twice as many penalties as teams who were dominated seems to be an injustice.
I demand an inquiry.
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Didn't you go something like 8 years without conceding a penalty at Old Trafford in the league?
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
Didn't you go something like 8 years without conceding a penalty at Old Trafford in the league?
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6 in 14 years between 1993 and 2007.
Plenty since.
It may not be many but teams came to defend in that period. Utd were very dominant at home.
Stats prove what you want them to prove - it's hardly surprising people are willing to interpret a lack of opposition penalties as proof of bias, but that ignores all the other variables. The most significant one is that teams didn't spend much time in Utd's penalty area!
How many opposition teams get penalties at the Etihad now? Not many - for the same reason.
 
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