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PleaseNotPoll said:
I think that's intentional. It's quite hard to mechanically detail what a foul is in a lot of cases.
There's quite a fine line between physical but fair football and crossing over into an actual offence.
Vardy intentionally blurs it, effectively committing a foul himself and trying to make it appear that he's been the victim.

Here's one of his most obvious examples:
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Steps across, initiates contact, draws one leg into the other and crumbles.
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think Calvert - Lewin may have seen that clip a few times :bandit:
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
As I said on the Prem Board, ex-Southampton and he's been accused of racially abusing another player?
He's off to Liverpool in the summer.
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we only buy Southampton players not their cast offs <doh>
The Firminho incident stinks since he supposedly shouted racially abused Holgate when the ref ,who heard nothing untoward , was standing between them. Move on 5 weeks and the FA are still "investigating" should have been wrapped up within a day with refs evidence and a couple of lip readers i.e. no evidence therefore not guilty.
 
Solid_Air 2 said:
we only buy Southampton players not their cast offs <doh>
The Firminho incident stinks since he supposedly shouted racially abused Holgate when the ref ,who heard nothing untoward , was standing between them. Move on 5 weeks and the FA are still "investigating" should have been wrapped up within a day with refs evidence and a couple of lip readers i.e. no evidence therefore not guilty.
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PleaseNotPoll said:
The ref for our victory over Real Madrid in the Champions League was Turkish and he didn't fall for their ****, for the most part.
They were free to go to ground, roll around and scream as much as they liked, but he just stuck with giving decisions and ignoring them.
He had a pretty good game, in my opinion. He was also the ref in Leverkusen last season, when he was far more easily influenced.

It's often hard to judge these officials and I think that we need to scout them as if they're an opposition team or player.
What do they tend to give out cards for, how quickly do they do it and how likely are they to send players off?
Do they come down hard on players going to ground for tackles, bring the cards out instantly for challenges for behind or lay off the cautions completely?
It's a game in itself.
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That's an interesting point, I wonder how much clubs scout the officials for games? You'd think with such high stakes when it comes to ref decisions that this is something clubs would look at and then adjust to.
 
afcftw said:
That's an interesting point, I wonder how much clubs scout the officials for games? You'd think with such high stakes when it comes to ref decisions that this is something clubs would look at and then adjust to.
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How much advance notice do you get for who
is the ref for a UEFA game ??

That + club resources would determine how
quickly you could analyse a ref to get the info
down to on-pitch training sessions.

Better just to drill in to players that tackles must
be clean and minimal force lest opposition
players go down like they are pole-axed.
 
The RDBD said:
How much advance notice do you get for who
is the ref for a UEFA game ??

That + club resources would determine how
quickly you could analyse a ref to get the info
down to on-pitch training sessions.

Better just to drill in to players that tackles must
be clean and minimal force lest opposition
players go down like they are pole-axed.
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I suppose it does depend on how much time there is between finding out the ref and when the game is. How much of a difference would it really be though for adjusting training? Just need to tackle harder and make tactical fouls more or alternatively be more careful with challenges.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
You know what they say about a stopped clock being right twice a day...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42992820
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Couldn't agree with him more.
City have been the victims of some really poor fouls this season, but they've also dished out quite a few.
There was a lot of fuss about Kane and Alli's challenges when we played them and rightly so. Two poor fouls.
Fernandinho's early one and Otamendi kicking Kane in the face? Not so much.

The TV companies are becoming too focused on narratives and stories, rather than the football itself.
This allows canny managers to influence reporting and coverage by introducing talking points and controversy.
Mourinho does it all the time and Guardiola's no different. Pochettino doesn't appear to be interested in that sort of thing.
This leads to some incidents blowing up, while others disappear entirely.

Remember Alli's dive against Swansea? Of course you do. It became far more talked about than the rest of the game.
The poor Swans were robbed by a cheating diver, which allowed us to take the lead and then steamroll them 5-0.
Remember this from earlier in the game?
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It's quite possible that you don't, as it didn't make it into the MOTD highlights.
Jon Moss decided that it wasn't even worth a yellow card, yet where's the outrage about it? Not Scouse enough, possibly.
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
Couldn't agree with him more.
City have been the victims of some really poor fouls this season, but they've also dished out quite a few.
There was a lot of fuss about Kane and Alli's challenges when we played them and rightly so. Two poor fouls.
Fernandinho's early one and Otamendi kicking Kane in the face? Not so much.

The TV companies are becoming too focused on narratives and stories, rather than the football itself.
This allows canny managers to influence reporting and coverage by introducing talking points and controversy.
Mourinho does it all the time and Guardiola's no different. Pochettino doesn't appear to be interested in that sort of thing.
This leads to some incidents blowing up, while others disappear entirely.

Remember Alli's dive against Swansea? Of course you do. It became far more talked about than the rest of the game.
The poor Swans were robbed by a cheating diver, which allowed us to take the lead and then steamroll them 5-0.
Remember this from earlier in the game?
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It's quite possible that you don't, as it didn't make it into the MOTD highlights.
Jon Moss decided that it wasn't even worth a yellow card, yet where's the outrage about it? Not Scouse enough, possibly.
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Well said PNP
 
<laugh>.
Neil Warnock has just given one of the most magnificent rants I have ever heard against the referee after the Millwall v Cardiff game.
He'll probably get done for it, but he was 100% right.
 
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