Sort of like how nobody mentions the 1974 Dutch team you mean?
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If in 5 years time no one wins anything yes.
However next year spurs have the cl and lots of money to look forward to. Arsenal do not.
As of a base starting point spurs are at a far higher point than arsenal
Apparently so, because as you yourself said (as well as plenty of people who it's alarming who are paid for their opinions...) nobody talks about the teams that didn't win.
Either way no-one will remember 16/17 spurs season apart from their own fans.
If they win five trophies in the next five years then no-one will remember that one year they didn't win any.
If they win nothing the next five years no-one will remember that year they also won nothing.
Arsenal have had lots of money for years and has meant squat. Spurs need to spend it on wages for top players or it will also mean squat.
Unless they're top class teams, no they don't, correct.
I know spurs have been great this year, for spurs standards, but if you're actually trying to put the spurs team of 2016/17 in that top class bracket along with Holland '74 then I fear you may be slightly overstating your season with some spurs tinted specs.
Or I'm pointing out one of the countless flaws with that argument - an argument which is also undermined by...
The 1954 Hungary team
The 1982 Brazil team
The 1986 Denmark team
The 1990 England team
The 1994 Italy team
The 1995-6 Newcastle team
The 1996 England team
The 1996-7 Liverpool team
The 2001-2 Bayer Leverkusen team
The 2005-6 Arsenal team
The 2008-9 Liverpool team
The 2011-12 Arsenal team
The 2013-14 Liverpool team
The 2015-16 Dortmund team
Who talks about most of them or remembers them? I support arsenal and couldn't give two stuffs about our 2005/06 or 2011/12 season/team.
You clearly want neutral people to remember Spurs this season. I don't really care if people do or not but don't think they will. Only time will tell if anyone actually does.
Who talks about those clubs? The people that remember them - and there's plenty of people who do, be it fans of those respective teams, journalists who have written countless articles about those teams over the decades, authors who have written numerous books about those teams over the decades, filmmakers who have made documentaries about those teams over the decades...
As for saying you don't care about your 2005-6 season, you really should. Not only was that your final season at Highbury, but it was a genuinely great side and the team was remarkably important: they had Henry, Bergkamp, Pires and Ljungberg, Fabregas and Toure were becoming firmly established, Van Persie and Clichy were coming into the squad - but within two years Wenger had succumbed to having smoke blown up his backside for so long, and descended into his mollycoddling of underachievers.
We need the CL money. We've got twice the build cost of The Emirates to pay off. Winning the FA Cup nets us £5m. A **** CL campaign nets us ten times that.
Winning the FA Cup isn't going to keep Sanchez. Lots of money, CL qualification and the prospect of winning a big trophy will. It's why teams don't play their best side in the cups any more. The glory is leaving the game. Money's ruining it. It corrupts everything in the end.
Winning the FA Cup isn't going to keep Sanchez. Lots of money, CL qualification and the prospect of winning a big trophy will. It's why teams don't play their best side in the cups any more. The glory is leaving the game. Money's ruining it. It corrupts everything in the end.
I find it incredible that you do not give a stuff about the last ever season at highbury.
That seems genuinely sad in footballing terms.
[QUOTE="cini65, post: 10586250, member: 1015066"]Either way no-one will remember 16/17 spurs season apart from their own fans.
If they win five trophies in the next five years then no-one will remember that one year they didn't win any.
If they win nothing the next five years no-one will remember that year they also won nothing.
Arsenal have had lots of money for years and has meant squat. Spurs need to spend it on wages for top players or it will also mean squat.[/QUOTE]
So? I mean obviously I'd prefer if this team goes down in history as the greatest of all time and I can give **** to all the other football fans at work, but in the end does it matter that much? Is it going change the enjoyment I've gotten from seeing us play the last couple of years? Will I look back on this period in our history in regret if I don't see us listed as trophy winners in Rothmans Football Yearbook 2037?
We need to start winning things or we'll lose our best players eventually. And yes, it's going to be hard with wages with the new stadium. But we're not there yet and I'm loving it so far.
If they win five trophies in the next five years then no-one will remember that one year they didn't win any.
If they win nothing the next five years no-one will remember that year they also won nothing.
Arsenal have had lots of money for years and has meant squat. Spurs need to spend it on wages for top players or it will also mean squat.[/QUOTE]
So? I mean obviously I'd prefer if this team goes down in history as the greatest of all time and I can give **** to all the other football fans at work, but in the end does it matter that much? Is it going change the enjoyment I've gotten from seeing us play the last couple of years? Will I look back on this period in our history in regret if I don't see us listed as trophy winners in Rothmans Football Yearbook 2037?
We need to start winning things or we'll lose our best players eventually. And yes, it's going to be hard with wages with the new stadium. But we're not there yet and I'm loving it so far.
You're quite right. But I'd be willing to bet that off the back of this season, two things have happened:
1. Our global fanbase grew exponentially.
2. Yours shrunk, despite the FA cup win.
Nothing to do with what was posted so irrelevant. HBIC was talking about Spurs being remembered by all this season even without winning anything simply because of their great football. Likening it to Holland '74 embarrassingly enough.
Remembering an Arsenal season because it was the last they played at Highbury is not the same thing as remembering a season because they played great football that year.
Also - comparing a non-trophy winning international team to a domestic team for whether they'll be remembered or not is also an unfair comparison. It's quite feasible for a top class international team to win squat as there's only one trophy every two years to play for. Domestic teams have, assuming you're vaguely good and in europe, four to play for each year. That's eight times as many trophies to play for.
A domestic team winning 0 out of 12 trophies in three years is a darn sight more damning (ie. if you can't win anything then you're not actually anywhere near great) than an international team winning 0 out of 1 trophies in three years (you could be the second best team in the world and just got beaten in a one off final).
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Awesome, go make the bet. Thinking about the total number of random fans that Arsenal have that I've never met in my life keeps me up most nights.You're quite right. But I'd be willing to bet that off the back of this season, two things have happened:
1. Our global fanbase grew exponentially.
2. Yours shrunk, despite the FA cup win.
I would have to disagree with that, looking at it as a foreign football fan looking for a team what would you find impressive....You're quite right. But I'd be willing to bet that off the back of this season, two things have happened:
1. Our global fanbase grew exponentially.
2. Yours shrunk, despite the FA cup win.
Coming second in the league or....
Winning the FA Cup (the most famous domestic cup in the world).
To us there may be one meaning, to others it may be totally different. People are impressed by teams that win things they know not runners up.
Arsenal and United fans trying to give credit to the FA Cup, League Cup and Europa.
You'd think the rest of us have been in a coma for them years when they were dominating Leagues and champions Leagues and wouldn't even **** in them pots
there's a word for that....first one to get it gets a 'like'
You'd think the rest of us have been in a coma for them years when they were dominating Leagues and champions Leagues and wouldn't even **** in them pots
there's a word for that....first one to get it gets a 'like'
Show me the posts on here where an Arsenal or United fan gives credit to any of those three???Arsenal and United fans trying to give credit to the FA Cup, League Cup and Europa.
You'd think the rest of us have been in a coma for them years when they were dominating Leagues and champions Leagues and wouldn't even **** in them pots
there's a word for that....first one to get it gets a 'like'