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Hoddle Is A God said:
The problem is that the FA refuses to review red-card decisions that are clearly either wrong or, at best, extremely harsh, unless the decision falls within a very narrow set of rules. No one looking at the Andy Carroll incident can raise any credible argument that it should have been the other player who should have been booked (for simulation) and not Carroll. I don't think Carroll should even have received a yellow card. The rules say that a player should not raise his arm to another player, but it is clear that Carroll's arm was already raised. And as regards "intent" he even had his back to the player!

The decision to send Carroll off was wrong within the rules of the game, and it is only the FA's own stupid, archaic and stubborn rules of review that are preventing them from over-turning what is clearly a very bad decision.

The courts, contrary to what some have said, do have the power to review the FA's decision, but their ability to substitute their decision for that of the FA's are, themselves, extremely limited. Basically, the Spanners will have to show that the FA's decision was not within the ambit of what a sane and rational person would have made. In other words, the FA will be given a very wide lee-way.
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I think it's a very harsh decision by the F.A. And, one I suspect may well be predicated on reputation, as much as any wish to avoid making one of their top referees look incompetent.

Having viewed it several times, I couldn't say with 100% certainty that it was intentional or unintentional! but there's clearly enough evidence to place a serious doubt over intent. Carroll should have been given the benefit of that doubt, IMO.
 
It's intentional. Carroll can't fail to know where Flores is.
He's pissed off by the way that he's gone over him and he's having a dig back.
Probably not a red, but it's borderline. Flores deserves one for his ****ty reaction, though.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
It's intentional. Carroll can't fail to know where Flores is.
He's pissed off by the way that he's gone over him and he's having a dig back.
Probably not a red, but it's borderline. Flores deserves one for his ****ty reaction, though.
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I don't think it is intentional. He would need eyes in the back of his head. I'm sure he didn't mind if he caught Flores, he's not pulling his arms in to avoid him, but I can't see that he tried to catch him. And it was only a gentle swing of the arm, not a punch or a shove, but natural rotation of the arm. I see 2 fouls there. The way Flores held on to him in the jump was worthy of a yellow - was an armlock that could have caused damage. And then the simulation which was another yellow.
 
So Liverpool v Arsenal. I'll ask the question we don't want to think about. Do we want Arsenal to win and at least maintain their lead over us but give us a chance of reeling Liverpool in, or do we want Liverpool to win as we think we can still catch Arsenal if they lose form? Obviously a draw does both.

I'd argue that Liverpool are our big rivals this year and the best result is for them to lose.
 
SpursDisciple said:
So Liverpool v Arsenal. I'll ask the question we don't want to think about. Do we want Arsenal to win and at least maintain their lead over us but give us a chance of reeling Liverpool in, or do we want Liverpool to win as we think we can still catch Arsenal if they lose form? Obviously a draw does both.

I'd argue that Liverpool are our big rivals this year and the best result is for them to lose.
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Agree, up the arsenal
 
SpursDisciple said:
So Liverpool v Arsenal. I'll ask the question we don't want to think about. Do we want Arsenal to win and at least maintain their lead over us but give us a chance of reeling Liverpool in, or do we want Liverpool to win as we think we can still catch Arsenal if they lose form? Obviously a draw does both.

I'd argue that Liverpool are our big rivals this year and the best result is for them to lose.
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I can't see us catching Arsenal this year, so I hope they win. And I know it's sacrilege and has been debated already, but I'd rather see them win the league than either of the sugar daddy clubs.
 
SpursOldboy said:
I can't see us catching Arsenal this year, so I hope they win. And I know it's sacrilege and has been debated already, but I'd rather see them win the league than either of the sugar daddy clubs.
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YES! There was only a couple of us in agreement on the other thread. I find myself in the unenviable situation of now wanted Arsenal to win most weeks for one reason or another
 
SpursDisciple said:
So Liverpool v Arsenal. I'll ask the question we don't want to think about. Do we want Arsenal to win and at least maintain their lead over us but give us a chance of reeling Liverpool in, or do we want Liverpool to win as we think we can still catch Arsenal if they lose form? Obviously a draw does both.

I'd argue that Liverpool are our big rivals this year and the best result is for them to lose.
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Before we drew against Hull I thought it was win/win regardless of the result but 11 points is a lot and I don't think we're anywhere near organised enough to catch up on that kind of gap in just 14 games. Arsenal winning has to be looked upon as the best result now. At least matching Liverpool's result is important so if they lose, even if we lose too, it won't be the end of the World.

I think Arsenal will win anyway but I'd accept a draw with Suarez, Mignolet, Koscielny and Mertesacker all getting sent off for racism and getting 10 game bans.
 
SpursDisciple said:
So Liverpool v Arsenal. I'll ask the question we don't want to think about. Do we want Arsenal to win and at least maintain their lead over us but give us a chance of reeling Liverpool in, or do we want Liverpool to win as we think we can still catch Arsenal if they lose form? Obviously a draw does both.

I'd argue that Liverpool are our big rivals this year and the best result is for them to lose.
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A draw for me. Arsenal have some very difficult games coming up over the next couple of months and could find themselves battling for 3rd/4th, rather than title challengers. I see it as 2 points dropped for both teams.
 
Under no circumstances would I want the goons to win the title! which they won't anyway but I'll give them credit when due yet I would rather the chavs took the title then have the goons crowned champions!
 
Agree with the above. No true Spurs fan can possibly want The Goons to win anything!...in this particular instance, I would be more than happy to see them kick seven colours of ****e out of each other - a few red cards would be an added bonus too!.
 
Regarding Vidic leaving United...

Apparently, no captain of United has EVER left of his own free will.

What with RVP saying he'll gladly go back to the team he spurned (ie. Arsenal) and Rooney being bribed to stay for a little while longer, one does sense that United could end up becoming the biggest joke in world football, when half the team hands in transfer requests at the start of next season.
 
<doh>
Can you believe their arrogance?

They have a thread running at the moment where most of them say they can win the title. Utterly unbelievable!

They've had the easiest start to a league in the history of football, and they are all beginning to believe their own delusion.

The title is £ity's to lose. Anyone with half a brain - not even a footballing brain - can see that, but not the Gooners.

Oh, how I will laugh - and make it public - the day they all realise the dream is over.
 
Barney'sowner said:
I have already mentioned this on the match thread&#8230;come on Arsenal!:emoticon-0111-blush
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SpursOldboy said:
I can't see us catching Arsenal this year, so I hope they win. And I know it's sacrilege and has been debated already, but I'd rather see them win the league than either of the sugar daddy clubs.
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Spurm said:
YES! There was only a couple of us in agreement on the other thread. I find myself in the unenviable situation of now wanted Arsenal to win most weeks for one reason or another
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Shocking, rehabilitation for you three!
 
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