I don't think the Glaziers can afford failure. The fans would probably give Moyes a chance to settle in but the Glaziers won't. They need the income to bale out their other franchieses.
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I don't think the Glaziers can afford failure. The fans would probably give Moyes a chance to settle in but the Glaziers won't. They need the income to bale out their other franchieses.
Yet some of the best managers around have been......
Fully agree TMT
I think Hughes is **** and I stick by it, and has been repeatedly, others will have shown signs of something, he hasn't. His good spell with the national team in 04 coincided with the likes of Bellamy (when fit), Speed, Giggs, and to a lesser extent but effective, Savage and Hartson playing well...Ivor The Engine could have been in charge.
I think many of us are jumping to conclusions here. People are assuming that Moyes will just be straight in at the deep end, as it were. Personally, I don't believe that will be the case. Fergie will still be there, and I think he will very much assist in a slow transition - a slow giving over of the reins to Moyes.
I don't discount the possibility that Moyes will fail. It is, of course, possible. But I believe it would be very foolhardy to write off either Moyes, or Utd off prematurely.
I don't discount the possibility that Moyes will fail. It is, of course, possible. But I believe it would be very foolhardy to write off either Moyes, or Utd off prematurely.
Thanks District.
Spain,Moyes isn't Ferguson and it's all about character,personality and an ability to motivate and get through to players. No amount of coaching can give Moyes Ferguson's character. If he doesn't get on with the players he won't motivate them. Often Everton were way down the table until the latter stages of the season when it was too late to make a comeback and coaches bring their traditions with them. We will all be watching Utd next season with magnifying glasses won't we?
Spain,Moyes isn't Ferguson and it's all about character,personality and an ability to motivate and get through to players. No amount of coaching can give Moyes Ferguson's character. If he doesn't get on with the players he won't motivate them. Often Everton were way down the table until the latter stages of the season when it was too late to make a comeback and coaches bring their traditions with them. We will all be watching Utd next season with magnifying glasses won't we?
This has probably been planned for some time. I think Moyes could possibly have been earmarked as a successor years ago.
It appears that SAF's decision to retire was made in February, so it's no coincidence Moyes has been cagey for the past few months about his plans when his contract expires this summer. He knew his fate a while ago. It follows that SAF, who gets on with Moyes very well, will have been giving him some form of advice about the workings of the club and preparing him for his appointment.
Utd have followed SAF's advice about his successor. The club has shunned the chance to appoint a big name manager in preference for someone they think has the right qualities for the job. They also know that whoever is appointed has an impossible act to follow SAF and will forever be in his shadow- that is inevitable. The new manager has to have the character and personality to cope with that. Whether or not SAF had taken another role at the club, his presence would remain until the day he dies. So appointing someone who does not appear to be phased by that and will welcome SAF's continuing influence and advice could prove to be a shrewd move.
The club wants to ensure there is as little upheaval as possible. Whilst SAF's retirement was always going to be a seismic event, the club would want as little as possible to change in every other respect. The club has lots of other key staff, structures, plans, methods of working etc which they will want to keep in place because they have proved successful. Moyes does not pose a threat of dismantling them whereas a high profile manager, such as Mourinho, with his own people and practices, might do. And a manager with a track record elsewhere- especially with clubs in other countries- brings no guarantee of success. Real Madrid paid handsomely for Mourinho, allowed him to spend heavily on transfers (having allowed his predecessors to do the same) expecting him to deliver the CL for the first time in over a decade. He hasn't done so.
I don't know if Moyes will be successful, but his appointment has a lot of logic underpinning it. Nobody will be able to repeat SAF's success for as long as he did it, but Moyes' success or failure shouldn't be measured against SAF's achievements.
It appears that SAF's decision to retire was made in February, so it's no coincidence Moyes has been cagey for the past few months about his plans when his contract expires this summer. He knew his fate a while ago. It follows that SAF, who gets on with Moyes very well, will have been giving him some form of advice about the workings of the club and preparing him for his appointment.
Utd have followed SAF's advice about his successor. The club has shunned the chance to appoint a big name manager in preference for someone they think has the right qualities for the job. They also know that whoever is appointed has an impossible act to follow SAF and will forever be in his shadow- that is inevitable. The new manager has to have the character and personality to cope with that. Whether or not SAF had taken another role at the club, his presence would remain until the day he dies. So appointing someone who does not appear to be phased by that and will welcome SAF's continuing influence and advice could prove to be a shrewd move.
The club wants to ensure there is as little upheaval as possible. Whilst SAF's retirement was always going to be a seismic event, the club would want as little as possible to change in every other respect. The club has lots of other key staff, structures, plans, methods of working etc which they will want to keep in place because they have proved successful. Moyes does not pose a threat of dismantling them whereas a high profile manager, such as Mourinho, with his own people and practices, might do. And a manager with a track record elsewhere- especially with clubs in other countries- brings no guarantee of success. Real Madrid paid handsomely for Mourinho, allowed him to spend heavily on transfers (having allowed his predecessors to do the same) expecting him to deliver the CL for the first time in over a decade. He hasn't done so.
I don't know if Moyes will be successful, but his appointment has a lot of logic underpinning it. Nobody will be able to repeat SAF's success for as long as he did it, but Moyes' success or failure shouldn't be measured against SAF's achievements.
I would agree with a lot of what Luke has said. Of course Moyes is not Ferguson. However, to try and make comparisons between the job he had to to at Everton, with all the attendant financial constraints, and the job he is about to take over, are pointless.
Yes, he has to get to know the players and the setup - I expect Fergie to greatly assist on that.
No one knows if he will succeed, and Fergie is a virtually impossible act to follow, but to jump to premature conclusions is foolish, IMO.
As a footnote, I would add that should Moyes start to show signs of not being up to the job, Ferguson is no romantic. He himself would be the first to wield the axe
Yes, he has to get to know the players and the setup - I expect Fergie to greatly assist on that.
No one knows if he will succeed, and Fergie is a virtually impossible act to follow, but to jump to premature conclusions is foolish, IMO.
As a footnote, I would add that should Moyes start to show signs of not being up to the job, Ferguson is no romantic. He himself would be the first to wield the axe
Someone on the radio said who would you rather takes your daughter out? A steady reliable chap or a playboy who flits from one old slapper to another at the first sign of dischord?
" This has probably been planned for some time. I think Moyes could possibly have been earmarked as a successor years ago. "
Certainly not an half-arsed appointment.
IMHO his first couple of years will have a minimum target of not slipping from
the CL slots, and everything else (cups etc) is a bonus. After that, then I guess
the requirement is business as usual or gone.
Certainly not an half-arsed appointment.
IMHO his first couple of years will have a minimum target of not slipping from
the CL slots, and everything else (cups etc) is a bonus. After that, then I guess
the requirement is business as usual or gone.
He wants to take two Everton players with him,Baines and I can't remember the other one. They will take the place of whom? I don't think it's a good idea to bring favourite players with you to a new club.
The one they need is Fellaini - don't know if that's who you have in mind. Fellaini and Carrick would be an awesome centre midfield. Evra has not been that good for a while, Bianes would be a step up for Utd.
Baines has been a long term target to replace Evra for SAF. Fellaini is just the sort of player Utd lack in midfield.
But it's just paper talk based on the Moyes connection- 2+2=5.
But it's just paper talk based on the Moyes connection- 2+2=5.
Also, Fergie was untouchable and the idea of him ever being sacked was nonsense. Not the case now. Any dodgy cup upsets, bad runs of form etc and suddenly the manager is going to be questioned a hell of a lot more.
Fergie has done him no favours in a way. He says he's leaving them in a good state. I'm not so sure. I'm not convinced that their youth players are that good. Jones, smalling, rafael, cleverly are not bad players when surrounded by Rooney, Carrick, RVP, Rio, Vidic etc but are they good enough to be the next generation of United superstars? Giggs, Scholes and Rio have minimal playing time left really, Carrick's got to be 30 odd now, Rooney wants to leave, all their wingers have had shocking seasons. On top of that, United have just taken the title back and so their will be the perception that they'll win it again. The expectation is a lot higher than it was 12 months ago when United were awful in Europe and lost the title.
I think Fellani will go with Moyes to Utd and to be honest it will probably suit the player very well there. Carrick is in the later stages of his career now and at 25 Fellani is just coming into his peak. I think Everton will ensure that they get a good price for him though, especially as Utd have signed their manager too. You have to feel for Everton fans a bit at the moment, for most of the season they looked like genuine top 4 contenders, and now the future looks very uncertain indeed.
United have also rocked their season without a second thought. Admittedly they have little to play for now but if you give an excuse for players to underperform more often than not they will. I'm sure Baines, Fellaini and a lot of others will already be thinking about the Summer and where their future lies.