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[Citizen Kane.]

Abramovich reportedly dodged up to £1bn in UK taxes, using that money to fund Chelsea's success in his tenure.

Shut down the club, send all playing and non-playing staff into exile, and bulldoze Stamford Bridge.

Scum.

 

[Solid Air]

Abramovich reportedly dodged up to £1bn in UK taxes, using that money to fund Chelsea's success in his tenure.

Shut down the club, send all playing and non-playing staff into exile, and bulldoze Stamford Bridge.

Scum.

before that happens can ther Govt seize the club again as the contract stated they would build a new stadium or refurb Stamford Bridge and work or planning would start immediately . Since none of this has happened seize them and flog them for at least £4bn to some other group and the treasury keeps the dosh (soz Ukraine )

 

[SpursDisciple]

Abramovich reportedly dodged up to £1bn in UK taxes, using that money to fund Chelsea's success in his tenure.

Shut down the club, send all playing and non-playing staff into exile, and bulldoze Stamford Bridge.

Scum.

Fulham ladies may need somewhere to play?

 

[vimhawk]

Abramovich reportedly dodged up to £1bn in UK taxes, using that money to fund Chelsea's success in his tenure.

Shut down the club, send all playing and non-playing staff into exile, and bulldoze Stamford Bridge.

Scum.

You do not go far enough. Additionally (at least) all trophies won since A took over should be cancelled. Did they ever pay back "the loan"? Have they ever done any real business without bending the rules? Do we really know who owns them? How do they get away with everything (like selling their hotels to themselves etc)? When transfers are discussed by pundits, the question of FFP is often mentioned. There is one club however where they don't even bother to mention it.

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

You do not go far enough. Additionally (at least) all trophies won since A took over should be cancelled. Did they ever pay back "the loan"? Have they ever done any real business without bending the rules? Do we really know who owns them? How do they get away with everything (like selling their hotels to themselves etc)? When transfers are discussed by pundits, the question of FFP is often mentioned. There is one club however where they don't even bother to mention it.

The sheer amount of shell companies shuttling loans around when Todd Bollo bought the club had more red flags than the Beijing Olympics opening ceremony

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

Arsenal fans sending him death threats?

He has a police guard on his house at the moment

So yes, Arsenal fans were sending death threats

 

[cini65]

He has a police guard on his house at the moment

So yes, Arsenal fans were sending death threats

Surely you're aware that the actual confirmed death threats that have been seen by anyone and being investigated by the police were from (supposed) United fans a few weeks ago? Everything I search for about death threats from last weekend all boil down to one single sun article saying that one single person posted online saying they would break his car window.

I presume you've actually seen these death threats and can link us to them or screenshot them (pleural so you've seen multiple threats?) written by Arsenal fans since the game at the weekend to make your sweeping judgement though?

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

Surely you're aware that the actual confirmed death threats that have been seen by anyone and being investigated by the police were from (supposed) United fans a few weeks ago? Everything I search for about death threats from last weekend all boil down to one single sun article saying that one single person posted online saying they would break his car window.

I presume you've actually seen these death threats and can link us to them or screenshot them (pleural so you've seen multiple threats?) written by Arsenal fans since the game at the weekend to make your sweeping judgement though?

Anything but admit the Arteta cultists sent him death threats, eh?

 

[cini65]

Anything but admit the Arteta cultists sent him death threats, eh?

I'll condemn anything wrong if it's true. Can you prove it being true though? All you need to do is just post a link or screenshot to either a threat that came after the Arsenal game and not prior to it after the United game, or to a published story that has a screenshot of a threat (given I presume most have probably been taken down or deleted by now). Just anything really.

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

I'll condemn anything wrong if it's true. Can you prove it being true though? All you need to do is just post a link or screenshot to either a threat that came after the Arsenal game and not prior to it after the United game, or to a published story that has a screenshot of a threat (given I presume most have probably been taken down or deleted by now). Just anything really.

"The referees’ body, Professional Game Match Officials Limited(PGMOL), has said it is appalled by the “abhorrent abuse”, including death threats, Michael Oliver and his family have received after his controversial decision to send off Myles Lewis-Skelly in Arsenal’s 1-0 victory at Wolves." - The Grauniad

"The red card that led to Michael Oliver and his family receiving death threats has been rescinded by an independent FA panel — but the referee will be back on Premier League duty this weekend." - The Paywall Times

"Oliver was the subject of attacks made online, including death threats against his family, after he showed a red card to Arsenal defender Myles Lewis-Skelly at Molineux on Saturday." - The Independent

"BBC Sport has been shown examples of some of the abuse posted on social media platforms about Oliver including death threats and threats to make his home address public." - You Can Trust The BBC But Not Social Meeeeedia

 

[cini65]

"The referees’ body, Professional Game Match Officials Limited(PGMOL), has said it is appalled by the “abhorrent abuse”, including death threats, Michael Oliver and his family have received after his controversial decision to send off Myles Lewis-Skelly in Arsenal’s 1-0 victory at Wolves." - The Grauniad

"The red card that led to Michael Oliver and his family receiving death threats has been rescinded by an independent FA panel — but the referee will be back on Premier League duty this weekend." - The Paywall Times

"Oliver was the subject of attacks made online, including death threats against his family, after he showed a red card to Arsenal defender Myles Lewis-Skelly at Molineux on Saturday." - The Independent

"BBC Sport has been shown examples of some of the abuse posted on social media platforms about Oliver including death threats and threats to make his home address public." - You Can Trust The BBC But Not Social Meeeeedia

Super.

Yup. We've all seen those. But again, even you must be aware that's not anything like the evidence I asked for. No threats visible in the articles, no screenshots, no nothing. The BBC have been shown these death threats, but they're not saying when they were made. The death threats and home address threats that there is evidence for were ones made after the United game a few weeks ago. But no-one seems to be able to post any screenshot or link to a death threat made in the last seven days apart from one car window break post. But according to these news stories, these death threats were all apparently made on social media after the Arsenal game by supposed Arsenal fans, and social posts don't just disappear. They're screenshotted to oblivion. So where are they?

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

Super.

Yup. We've all seen those. But again, even you must be aware that's not anything like the evidence I asked for. No threats visible in the articles, no screenshots, no nothing. The BBC have been shown these death threats, but they're not saying when they were made. The death threats and home address threats that there is evidence for were ones made after the United game a few weeks ago. But no-one seems to be able to post any screenshot or link to a death threat made in the last seven days apart from one car window break post. But according to these news stories, these death threats were all apparently made on social media after the Arsenal game by supposed Arsenal fans, and social posts don't just disappear. They're screenshotted to oblivion. So where are they?

"If I can't see it, it doesn't exist" is not a valid defence

The fact that Daily Cannon and ArseBlog are running the exact same line is, of course, a complete coincidence...

 

[cini65]

"If I can't see it, it doesn't exist" is not a valid defence

The onus is on the accuser to prove guilt, not the accused to provide any defence. That's a pretty basic UK law thing. If no-one can show that it's happened then that's a pretty open and shut defence. Otherwise anyone could make anything they want up about anybody. I presume you don't actually believe this to be the way things work and are only putting this on for your Not606 persona.

Some person, company and/or media claims something objectively and unarguably very bad has happened. That person/company/media provides no actual evidence of it happening in the way that is being reported... but it still hits the headlines that the bad thing has happened and blame is to be apportioned. Lots of people read these stories and decide, even without the actual evidence, that this bad thing therefore definitely happened and the blame should be apportioned to the people that the media are suggesting (maybe because to argue otherwise would maybe give the idea that you think the bad thing isn't actually a bad thing).

If the death threats are there, then this is bad.

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

The onus is on the accuser to prove guilt, not the accused to provide any defence. That's a pretty basic UK law thing. If no-one can show that it's happened then that's a pretty open and shut defence. Otherwise anyone could make anything they want up about anybody. I presume you don't actually believe this to be the way things work and are only putting this on for your Not606 persona.

Some person, company and/or media claims something objectively and unarguably very bad has happened. That person/company/media provides no actual evidence of it happening in the way that is being reported... but it still hits the headlines that the bad thing has happened and blame is to be apportioned. Lots of people read these stories and decide, even without the actual evidence, that this bad thing therefore definitely happened and the blame should be apportioned to the people that the media are suggesting (maybe because to argue otherwise would maybe give the idea that you think the bad thing isn't actually a bad thing).

Has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, newspapers wouldn't post them when there's an ongoing police investigation?

Something to do with potentially prejudicing an investigation?

Ring a bell?

 

[cini65]

Has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, newspapers wouldn't post them when there's an ongoing police investigation?

Something to do with potentially prejudicing an investigation?

Ring a bell?

So not a single person screenshotted any of these multiple death threats? These posts were on social media but no-one on social media has said they've seen one first-hand?? How come the United ones have been seen if they're being investigated too? Racist and/or homophobic posts are always posted online with screenshots available everywhere. Then you read about posters about them being charged afterwards. These posts don't just disappear.

I'm on X quite a bit before and after games on both 'for me' and 'following' and the 'for you' is filled with algorithm garbled arsenal stuff often written by fanatics and I didn't see any death threats. Just lots of posts saying Michael Oliver is useless. Which is not proof they don't exist of course... but surely at some point someone somewhere has to actually have seen one. Who has actually seen a death threat?

 

[SarrMan]

So not a single person screenshotted any of these multiple death threats? These posts were on social media but no-one on social media has said they've seen one first-hand?? How come the United ones have been seen if they're being investigated too? Racist and/or homophobic posts are always posted online with screenshots available everywhere. Then you read about posters about them being charged afterwards. These posts don't just disappear.

I'm on X quite a bit before and after games on both 'for me' and 'following' and the 'for you' is filled with algorithm garbled arsenal stuff often written by fanatics and I didn't see any death threats. Just lots of posts saying Michael Oliver is useless. Which is not proof they don't exist of course... but surely at some point someone somewhere has to actually have seen one. Who has actually seen a death threat?

Every club has idiots, just accept that some of the Arsenal ones took it to far. Not sure why you’re so keen to dispute it?

I’m sure the police wouldn’t waste what little time and resources they have protecting someone if they didn’t have proof these threats existed.

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

So not a single person screenshotted any of these multiple death threats? These posts were on social media but no-one on social media has said they've seen one first-hand?? How come the United ones have been seen if they're being investigated too? Racist and/or homophobic posts are always posted online with screenshots available everywhere. Then you read about posters about them being charged afterwards. These posts don't just disappear.

I'm on X quite a bit before and after games on both 'for me' and 'following' and the 'for you' is filled with algorithm garbled arsenal stuff often written by fanatics and I didn't see any death threats. Just lots of posts saying Michael Oliver is useless. Which is not proof they don't exist of course... but surely at some point someone somewhere has to actually have seen one. Who has actually seen a death threat?

Which part of "prejudicing an investigation" is going over your head?

Now, perhaps you would like to answer why the tweet this guy is responding to has mysteriously disappeared...?

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[cini65]

Every club has idiots, just accept that some of the Arsenal ones took it to far. Not sure why you’re so keen to dispute it?

I’m sure the police wouldn’t waste what little time and resources they have protecting someone if they didn’t have proof these threats existed.

No doubt Arsenal have lots of idiots, and if they had proportionately more than any other club then that wouldn’t surprise me, not would I care. I don’t care about disputing things Arsenal fans might have done. I do care about disputing claims made by the PGMOL. Even if every other Arsenal fan on the planet was proven to be a murdering *****phile, I wouldn’t care and I would admonish the whole lot of them, they’ve got nothing to do with me. I’ve got no interest in defending random Arsenal fans who I don’t know, why would I? They don’t affect me. But PGMOL do.

What bugs me is the PGMOL and the misdirection they use to deflect attention away from themselves. They use the media to spin and benefit themselves just as much as mangers and clubs do, but they face none of the consequences that players, managers and clubs do.

They’re an underperforming clique who use underhand methods. Their ineptitude negatively affects something that I really enjoy so my problem is with them.

 

[cini65]

Which part of "prejudicing an investigation" is going over your head?

Now, perhaps you would like to answer why the tweet this guy is responding to has mysteriously disappeared...?

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It hasn’t disappeared… you’re posting it right there?

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

It hasn’t disappeared… you’re posting it right there?

Really?

Shouldn't you be in PMQs, Kemi?