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  1. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    Sorry, who's that moaning about dodgy penalty decisions at Anfield?
     
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  2. Citizen Kane.

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    You know what they say...irony is a dish best served in a stolen hubcap.
     
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  3. Citizen Kane.

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    Newcastle shouldn't have been pissing about with the ball but that is just laughable.

    Maddison and Vardy are among the very worst in world football.
     
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  4. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    The more I watch Tielemans the more pissed off I get with Poch that he genuinely picked Ndombele over him.

    Pain… pure pain.
     
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  5. Citizen Kane.

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    This'll improve your mood no doubt:

    Screenshot_20211212-160236.jpg

    Dele Alli. Remember him?
     
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  6. humanbeingincroydon

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    Half the price, and likely would've kept Poch in his job

    There's times to choose a hill to die on, and that wasn't one of them
     
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  7. PleaseNotPoll

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    This isn't entirely accurate.
    We couldn't get Ndombele, so he chose literally nobody over Tielemans. Great decision. <doh>
     
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    Dier Hard's post inspired me to dig up some data pertaining to penalties and big team favoritism...that and having to fill up the two hours per weekend Spurs usually waste.

    I decided to look at club popularity, penalties given and conceded, and average league rank from 2014-15 through 2020-21. The idea was to see if penalty favoritism correlated better with league rank (and, arguably, merit) or popularity, in order to get some data regarding the presence or absence of big team bias in awarding penalties. Here are the three lists:

    A. Penalty favoritism; net difference between pens awarded and pens conceded (from Transfermarkt)
    1. Man U 29
    2. (tie) Man City 23
    3. Chelsea 23
    4. Liverpool 14
    5. Spurs 3
    7. Arsenal 1

    B. Popularity (from https://www.stadium-maps.com/facts/epl_facebook_table.html)
    1. Manchester United 73,209,297
    2. Chelsea 49,017,967
    3. Manchester City 40,103,333
    4. Arsenal 37,758,903
    5. Liverpool 37,485,389
    6. Tottenham Hotspur 22,109,552

    C. Average league position
    1. Man City (2)
    2. (three way tie) Chelsea (4)
    3. LIverpool (4)
    4. Man U (4)
    5. Spurs (4 2/7)
    6. Arsenal (6 1/7)

    As you can see, the stronger correlation is between penalty favoritism and club popularity. The correspondence would be perfect if Arsenal were two places lower. A satisfying if logically irrelevant explanation is that Arsenal have been crap.
     
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  9. The RDBD

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    I would also add the following dimensions to the data ETL process :

    1. venue type (home/away)
    2. venue attendance

    The rationale being that crowd hostility to a penalty event
    (as a function of size) , might influence the officials decision
    making process. Correspondingly we also now have a small
    data set from the VAR era to look at.
     
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  10. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Absolute rocket from Gallagher.

    Chelsea have got some prospect there.
     
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  11. KingHotspur

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    Gallagher and Gilmour both got huge futures for Chelsea (unfortunately)
     
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  12. Citizen Kane.

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    Add to them Mount, James, Chalobah and Hudson-Odoi and they are annoyingly well-stocked in home grown talent for years to come.

    Someone in their academy and recruitment team is doing a good job, painful as it is to admit it.
     
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  13. Billy The Spur

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    How the fack have VAR not overturned that.
     
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    Huge futures - but not sure it will be at Chelsea.
    They'll be buying them back for £100M in 5 years time.
     
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  15. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    And that’s on top of producing two players that they sold for about £30m each in the summer.

    I hate praising them but their academy is one of the very best in Europe right now.




    The ****ers.
     
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  16. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Messi vs Ronaldo in the Champions League as PSG get Man Utd.

    Looking forward to it, may be the last two times they grace the same pitch. Feel quite lucky to have been around during their era, seen them both play live too (Ronaldo a lot more than Messi for obvious reasons), hard to imagine we'll see anyone better again when considering the numbers these two have put out.
     
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  17. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Oh well, scrap that. UEFA managed to balls up the draw and it’s being re-done at 2pm.
     
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  18. PleaseNotPoll

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    I'm sure all of the academy players' parents have wonderful houses... <whistle>
    They've run it very well, but it's another bent enterprise, just like City's academy.
    We'd do well to emulate the above board stuff, though.
     
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    "Man Utd vs Villarreal.... again. Hang on..." <doh>
     
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    Atlas FC win their first league title in Mexico for 70 years and that's their reaction! <laugh>
    You know exactly what they mean, too.
     
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