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At no other 'top-6' club would this mediocrity be tolerated, so I don't understand why KSE are tolerating it. An asset they paid lots of money for is depreciating in value rapidly and they're aware fans are deeply dissatisfied. Yet they still aren't willing to do anything to change it.

In history, when has a novice manager taken over a club and had a successful long-term career there? I can't think of anyone.

I feel like they're trying to pioneer something that hasn't been done before and won't ever bear fruit.

We keep hearing that we need to have 'patience' and 'give it time', whilst other clubs are catching up or usurping us. It's mind-blowing how long the Arteta experiment has been allowed to continue.

I do find it weird that Arteta hasn’t been sacked yet. Maybe him winning the FA Cup bought him serious favour with the board but when you see rivals (Spurs & Utd) sacking the likes of Mourinho (both clubs), Nuno and Ole when Spurs and Utd were around there the same position as Arsenal then you do wonder why he’s still there.
 
I do find it weird that Arteta hasn’t been sacked yet. Maybe him winning the FA Cup bought him serious favour with the board but when you see rivals (Spurs & Utd) sacking the likes of Mourinho (both clubs), Nuno and Ole when Spurs and Utd were around there the same position as Arsenal then you do wonder why he’s still there.

Winning an FA Cup means diddly squat in between two 8th placed finishes, getting bantered out of the Europa League by our ex-manager, £230m spent on transfers and the worst football I've had to watch since the end of Emery's tenure.

As I alluded to above. KSE have been trying to look for someone who can fulfil the role of a 'new Wenger'. But they're trying to do that in a football climate where it doesn't exist and managers seldom get that vast amount of time afforded to them, let alone a manager who took over Arsenal as his 1st ever job. There's no point sticking with someone just because you like them. There has to be a method to the madness.

For all the criticism Levy and ENIC get, they at least got rid of Nuno and brought in a world-class manager in Conte. United have a plan post-OGS. Even Aston Villa look like they've upgraded on Dean Smith.

I'm just not sure what they're watching to believe Arteta should carry on in this position.

It's remarkable.

The season obviously isn't over yet, but it's going to be over soon if we carry on in this vein. Change is required.
 
Winning an FA Cup means diddly squat in between two 8th placed finishes, getting bantered out of the Europa League by our ex-manager, £230m spent on transfers and the worst football I've had to watch since the end of Emery's tenure.

As I alluded to above. KSE have been trying to look for someone who can fulfil the role of a 'new Wenger'. But they're trying to do that in a football climate where it doesn't exist and managers seldom get that vast amount of time afforded to them, let alone a manager who took over Arsenal as his 1st ever job. There's no point sticking with someone just because you like them. There has to be a method to the madness.

For all the criticism Levy and ENIC get, they at least got rid of Nuno and brought in a world-class manager in Conte. United have a plan post-OGS. Even Aston Villa look like they've upgraded on Dean Smith.

I'm just not sure what they're watching to believe Arteta should carry on in this position.

It's remarkable.

The season obviously isn't over yet, but it's going to be over soon if we carry on in this vein. Change is required.

As I've said before, Arsenal's problem is that it is run by a group of individuals who have no experience of doing their jobs.

The Kroenke's know precisely **** all about football. Nearly all Americans don't. The Glazers and FSG lot were the same, although FSG got in Klopp and Michael Edwards to sort things out. United got Ed Woodward and a succession of inappropriate coaches. They're still floundering as a result.

Arsenal got in Vinkatesham, Edu and Arteta. Edu had done a similar job before, in Brazil, although it might as well have been on the moon, for all it taught him about his current role. The other 2 have zero experience, at all, and just as much of a clue. They're all in it together and if one goes, he might take the others, who backed him, along with him. So, it's unlikely that Edu would now call for Arteta to be sacked, if it makes his position untenable. The same applies to Vinkatesham, over Edu and Arteta.

Until someone comes in who really knows what they're doing, it'll continue to get worse. Arsenal should appoint Potter and let him get on with it.
 
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As I've said before, Arsenal's problem is that it is run by a group of individuals who have no experience of doing their jobs.

The Kroenke's know precisely **** all about football. Americans don't. The Glazers and FSG lot were the same, although FSG got in Klopp and Michael Edwards to sort things out. United got Ed Woodward and a succession of inappropriate coaches. They're still floundering as a result.

Arsenal got in Vinkatesham, Edu and Arteta. Edu had done a similar job before, in Brazil, although it might as well have been on the moon, for all it taught him about his current role. The other 2 have zero experience, at all, and just as much of a clue. They're all in it together and if one goes, he might take the others, who backed him, along with him. So, it's unlikely that Edu would now call for Arteta to be sacked, if it makes his position untenable. The same applies to Vinkatesham, over Edu and Arteta.

Until someone comes in who really knows what they're doing, it'll continue to get worse. Arsenal should appoint Potter and let him get on with it.
And who really knows what they're doing at Spurs?

Agree with you on the others mentioned <ok>
 
And who really knows what they're doing at Spurs?

Agree with you on the others mentioned <ok>

Levy understands the business surrounding football. He doesn't understand the game at all. He's appointed Jol, Redknapp and Poch (2 of them, more by chance than design), who have done that for him and progressed the football team, where quite a few others have singularly failed.

Now, we're hopeful that Conte and Paratici, working in tandem, will be able to exploit their talents and experience and return us to winning something. We're paying top dollar for them, but they come with knowledge, experience, success and commitment. In a business full of bluffers and blaggers, they are a relatively safe hands.
 
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Levy understands the business surrounding football. He doesn't understand the game at all. He's appointed Jol, Redknapp and Poch (2 of them, more by chance than design), who have done that for him and progressed the football team, where quite a few others have singularly failed.

Now, we're hopeful that Conte and Paratici, working in tandem, will be able to exploit their talents and experience and return us to winning something. We're paying top dollar for them, but they come with knowledge, experience, success and commitment. In a business full of bluffers and blaggers, they are a relatively safe hands.
TBH i know nothing of Paratici but would have bitten your hand off for Conte.

Quite happy with Ralf at the moment though, he talks the game very well and gives the impression names mean nothing.
 
TBH i know nothing of Paratici but would have bitten your hand off for Conte.

Quite happy with Ralf at the moment though, he talks the game very well and gives the impression names mean nothing.

Rangnick knows football. After Ole and Woodward, he's a good appointment. Whatever role he's fulfilling, he'll help the football club to do better.
 
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The Glazers and FSG lot were the same, although FSG got in Klopp and Michael Edwards to sort things out. United got Ed Woodward and a succession of inappropriate coaches. They're still floundering as a result.

One of the most perfect examples of right and wrong decision making right there.
 
Levy understands the business surrounding football. He doesn't understand the game at all. He's appointed Jol, Redknapp and Poch (2 of them, more by chance than design), who have done that for him and progressed the football team, where quite a few others have singularly failed.

Now, we're hopeful that Conte and Paratici, working in tandem, will be able to exploit their talents and experience and return us to winning something. We're paying top dollar for them, but they come with knowledge, experience, success and commitment. In a business full of bluffers and blaggers, they are a relatively safe hands.

In my opinion Levy is pragmatist who hires idealist managers. I'm not sure that's a recipe for success because you sort of need both owner/chairman and manager to be on the same or similar wavelength.
 
In my opinion Levy is pragmatist who hires idealist managers. I'm not sure that's a recipe for success because you sort of need both owner/chairman and manager to be on the same or similar wavelength.

Levy's manager/coach choices initially look like they are completely all over the place. We swing from micro-manager Juande Ramos, to Harry Redknapp, who would be 'laissez faire" if he knew what it meant and favoured all-out attack. Redknapp's replacement was AVB, the king of the powerpoint presentation and the sideways pass.

Poch's high press and fierce fitness regime, with no trophies, was immediately followed by Mourinho's defence of the 18 yard line and being one of the least fit teams in the league, with a sizeable back catalogue.

It's actually the football management equivalent of 'There was an old lady who swallowed a fly', where Daniel attempts to cure the current problem, by introducing someone who has the right characteristics to fix that problem, but brings with him a different, often larger one.
 
Does Levy know what football is all about? I know he watches it. He seems more interested in having his nose stuck in the money side.....which should be good for the club......but we do seem to make a lot of cock ups with poor signings,thus throwing money away!!!.......and that's got to be his fault!?
 
Does Levy know what football is all about? I know he watches it. He seems more interested in having his nose stuck in the money side.....which should be good for the club......but we do seem to make a lot of cock ups with poor signings,thus throwing money away!!!.......and that's got to be his fault!?
Signings tend to be the fault of the person who identifies a target and says to sign them

It's bizarre how our fanbase can rightly blame Comolli for the amount of clag he brought into the squad one minute, then try to avoid blaming a manager for signing somebody who simply fails to justify their pricetag like Ndombele, a "good idea" that turned out to be a bad one like Thatcher or Doherty, or a signing that never made any sense like Pienaar the next

Frankly if we had the straw version of Levy people talk about in the summer of 2019 we would've signed Tielemans for half of what we paid for Ndombele, but Poch was adamant that Ndombele was the player we needed and...well, two and a half years later, we're hoping he feels that way about PSG's midfield