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I don't think Fergie uses anything new or any secrets. He looks at the players characters and works to them. The way the crowds berate players is no use to morale at all and it's far better to remain calm and praise rather than make players feel small. Instead of screaming at players after a defeat it's better just to tell them to put it behind them and let's enjoy our training and move on to the next match when players will be better prepared. If players are so scared of the manager and fear bollockings all the time they'll lose confidence and play is affected. Well done to you Fergie for consistently maintaining your philosophy. When you leave football will have an unfillable gap.
 
Bacon Face says he wants players who are bad losers like him. The problem is that we then get managers who are bad losers like him, who are arsey with journalists when they lose like him...but unlike him, Roy Keane and Mark Hughes are sackable and don;t get away with spouting bullshit to the media like he does.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Bacon Face says he wants players who are bad losers like him. The problem is that we then get managers who are bad losers like him, who are arsey with journalists when they lose like him...but unlike him, Roy Keane and Mark Hughes are sackable and don;t get away with spouting bullshit to the media like he does.
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or it could just be that they are ****....unlike him?
 
The bit that they claim is about Scholes is actually about Rooney, isn't it?
Scholes was/is cynical and makes educated guesses about how close to the line he is, occasionally crossing it and getting sent off. Rooney loses it completely and makes rash decisions.

“One of my players has been sent off several times.
“He will do something if he gets the chance - even in training.
“Can I take it out of him? No. Would I want to take it out of him? No. If you take the aggression out of him, he is not himself.
“So you have to accept that there is a certain flaw that is counterbalanced by all the great things he can do.”

That's about Shrek, surely?
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Keane has never had more funding available to him than anyone else in the league (Hughes did, briefly...) and neither of them have been in charge of clubs noted for preferential officiating...
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so nothing to do with their twatiness then?

and ive chosen you as one of my 3, HBIC on the award thread...dont you worry your humour does not go amiss on these boards!

put that sword away.
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
There's nothing earth shattering in his philosophy- it's all fairly obvious really.

But it takes a hell of a lot of time, effort and commitment to put into effect day in, day out, year in, year out without any slackening and to keep rebuilding and moving forward when you could feel as if you've done it all and can relax.

This is why he is so exceptional.
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It might be obvious Luke but it's strange how many managers in all walks of life fail because they miss or do not understand the obvious.

Obvious:

1. Value the people in your team and make sure they know it.

2. Identify their strengths and weaknesses and make sure they get the best possible chance to succeed.

3. Define your policy and requirements very clearly and stick to them.

4. It's your teams ego's that matter not your own.

5. Look after them and they will look after you.

How many large corporations follow that set of guidelines? Very very few.

Most do something like this:

1. Pay as little as possible.

2. Encourage a hierarchy (divide and rule)

3. Promote the conformists.

4. Sack the original thinkers as 'devisive'

5. Money first, staff second.

I worked for companies in my younger years and then ran my own. I used the Fergie method....it worked.

But as Luke says the amazing bit is how SAF does this year after year and never slackens off. That's unusual.
 
All very true, Spurf. <ok>
You forgot 'rely heavily on your best workers and tried to avoid confronting the ****e ones', though.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Bacon Face says he wants players who are bad losers like him. The problem is that we then get managers who are bad losers like him, who are arsey with journalists when they lose like him...but unlike him, Roy Keane and Mark Hughes are sackable and don;t get away with spouting bullshit to the media like he does.
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This but I'd take it a step further.

He also wants players that are prepared to win at all costs irrespective of moral conduct. Ashley Young a prime example, same with Rooney, Nani, Evra, Ferdinand, Vidic and the whole lot.

Honesty gets you nowhere, as Liverpool, Chelsea and City have found out with countless penalty appeals turned down. Hazard v Sunderland and Tevez v United was a case in point, both players could and should have gone down but out of honesty didn't. United players don't do that, they go down and then the penalty/red card is given and the advantage is thn with them. Ashley Young could easily have stayed on his feet against Chelsea but didn't, because he is ruthless. A Spurs player wouldn't have tapped the ball in the net like Nani did a few years back (Clattenburg).

Barcelona and United have taught the footballing world that honesty gets you nowhere. If you want to beat the best you have to be prepared to get your hands dirty.
 
District Line said:
A Spurs player wouldn't have tapped the ball in the net like Nani did a few years back (Clattenburg).
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Depends on who the player was. I don't think that most players would have thought of it, to be honest. Someone like Bale or Defoe would have.
We all know exactly what decision would've been given if one of them had, though.
 
District Line said:
This but I'd take it a step further.

He also wants players that are prepared to win at all costs irrespective of moral conduct. Ashley Young a prime example, same with Rooney, Nani, Evra, Ferdinand, Vidic and the whole lot.

Honesty gets you nowhere, as Liverpool, Chelsea and City have found out with countless penalty appeals turned down. Hazard v Sunderland and Tevez v United was a case in point, both players could and should have gone down but out of honesty didn't. United players don't do that, they go down and then the penalty/red card is given and the advantage is thn with them. Ashley Young could easily have stayed on his feet against Chelsea but didn't, because he is ruthless. A Spurs player wouldn't have tapped the ball in the net like Nani did a few years back (Clattenburg).

Barcelona and United have taught the footballing world that honesty gets you nowhere. If you want to beat the best you have to be prepared to get your hands dirty.
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There's been plenty of dishonesty at Liverpool (Owen, Gerrard, Torres, Suarez), Arsenal (Bergkamp, Henry, Pires, Cazorla) City (Balotelli) and Chelsea (Lampard, Drogba, Torres) over the years - it's just they often use their dishonesty to turn a loss into a draw, Man Utd's chamber of horrors use it to turn a draw into a win.
 
That's fine, it just means fixture congestion.

Allardyce will be charged up for that game anyway. Late night derby. 3,000 Spammers creating a decent atmosphere at the Library. You never know they just might be able to get something.

I'd be happy with whatever result tbh <ok>
 
People will take the piss if Chelsea lose this one, but it just stank of an upset.
The travelling, the discontented fans, the missing centre-backs...
Still expect Rafa's mob to win it, but it's a tough game.
 
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