I think that the Ashes series has been amazing in spite of the over rates purely because of the way we've played......had England taken a more classic approach, and gone at 3-3.5 an over rather than 4.5-5 an over then we'd probably have had a draw at Lords and the Oval as there wouldn't have been enough time in the game to get a result, we'd have seen a 1-1 draw and most of us would have then been bemoaning slow over rates and weather rather than championing what has been an incredible series. Take Old Trafford as a single example, Aus were 10 overs slow across an innings lasting just 100 odd overs! That's shocking! Give those extra overs to England on day 3 and you never know, we could have pushed for a result a bit earlier and snuck the win. Australia have been **** with over rates for a while now, yet even with pitiful deductions it's allowed them to win the WTC, they go into games typically with their 3 quick bowler and Lyon + an allrounder they'll maybe chuck the ball to every now and then. Slow over rates allows Aus to have one of their 3 quicks bowling at one end most of the time, as they're not being pushed to bowl quicker Pattinson isn't having to manage his bowlers' workloads as much and his quicks remain relatively fresh. Make them bowl 90 overs in a day and push the quicks to get through their overs in a better time and they'll become more tired, then he has to look to his 5th and potentially 6th options more and more and in theory their opposition will score more runs and more quickly.....thus more 'exciting' cricket matches. And we're no different, nor are most other teams, given that fines etc haven't had an impact historically, maybe WTC points deductions will, they cost Aus in the last round of the WTC which NZ won as points deductions dropped them from the top 2, the ICC just need to make sure that they apply the same harsh penalties on all teams then hopefully one day we'll start to see some changes.
That's a good point, as you have to have generic rules. Are there any nations where it would normally (we often have bad light here) be dark a couple of hours later? Could they start earlier the following day? I dont know if other nations all have same NORMAL playing time, ie start at 11 and finish at 6 (I know the standard hours will be 7 hours per day, with same intervals, but not sure if start time is adapted for local conditions? If not, why not if it would benefit?).
tests in england often used to start at 10:30am. starting at that time again would allow an extra half hour of light most evenings.
It clearly hasn't been properly thought through, I can't believe they will have wanted the two teams to have such a disparity in points in a drawn series from the Ashes. And we have the heavier sanction because we played entertaining cricket. As you say, the Aussies played most the series one pace bowler less than us, so slowing it down allows their quicks to bowl less per hour and so less in the day. The workload being a factor was talked about a lot before the start of the series, and I suspect it was true, as even by Manchester, some of their bowlers looked jaded.
Good point, as they do so to make up for lost time due to rain, but cant for slow over rates. As Pierre pointed out, it would have to be achievable across all test playing countries.
Pakistan, India, sl and Bangladesh it gets dark v quickly, like sunlight to pitch black in 30 mins at certain times of the year. Cricket is too entrenched in tradition for meaningful change tho I fear
Aye Aussies we're let off by how quick our innings were! It needs fiddling with but the principle of sorting slow over rates I v much agree with
Why would it need to be though? Why not just play at the optimum timings for each country? I know it might skew international averages etc, but surely no more than the fact some countries get more days rained off than others?
Think I agree! The seven hours per day playing time would need to be rigid, I suspect the ability to have same amount of hours in reserve, but no reason why they should all start at the same time. I know starting early is difficult in the Uk due to dew some months of the year. I have no idea if it is an issue elsewhere. Could they start earlier in Asia to allow for reserve hours for slow over rates? With more emphasis on spin in the subcontinent, slow overrates shouldn’t be an issue.
Four letters that stop any chance of that....BCCI....anything that could be perceived to negatively impact India - in this case allowing sa, aus and England more hours in a day to bowl at home, simply won't go anywhere. It took DRS years to become fully implemented because of the BCCIs control over the ICC
Tests in Pakistan start at 10am at the moment, 930 if making up lost time which is already pretty early
anyway, seeing as test cricket has disappeared until xmas and yorkshire are in the doldrums (all their best players on international duty), here's a rare snippet from the rather silly and doomed "hundred". the idea is that each side gets to face up to 100 deliveries, with no more than 20 being sent down by any bowler. an over consists of 5 deliveries. spencer johnson from australia made his hundred debut on wednesday evening. on sunday he played in the canadian t20 final. on monday he was called up for the imminent t20i series for australia against south africa. also on monday he set foot in the uk for the first time ever. on wednesday evening he was a replacement for a late drop-out from the oval invincibles, who were about to play the manchester originals (mickey mouse stuff!) at the oval. the oval invincibles made 186/5 off their 100 deliveries. this included 59 from recent england player jason roy. the cheapest bowling was from jamie overton who conceded 21 off his 20 deliveries, the other bowlers conceded from 1.9 to 2.6 per delivery. heinrich klaasen top scored with 60 off 27. manchester originals had trouble getting going, the first over, from johnson yielded one leg bye. johnson bowled the third over, with one run coming from the first ball, and then nothing. jos buttler made 23 and after 60 deliveries, or 12 "overs", with the originals 58/6, johnson returned with a double-wicket maiden. somewhat bizarrely the rules allowed him to continue bowling, which he did, and he added a wicket maiden, leaving the originals 58/9, needing an unlikely 129 from 30. at this point jamie overton took charge and struck 37 off 21, holing out on the 89th as the team got to 92 all out, giving the invincibles a 94-run win, a new record margin for the hundred. debutant spencer johnson sent down 20 deliveries, 19 of which were dot balls, and took 3 wickets for one run. the next cheapest bowler was sunil narine who took 3 for 12 from his 20 attempts. 3 for one off 20 deliveries for debut figures and they gave the motm to klaasen! klaasen commented "Credit must go to Spence - I don't know why he's not standing here." https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...ncibles-men-13th-match-1355618/full-scorecard
I certainly have no interest in watching it, I did watch the first game this year to see if my opinion might change, but no, it doesn't float my boat. I think it is a competition too many, there are enough T20's without adding another one. This form of Cricket is getting to saturation point, IMO.
came across this result in an under19 odi world cup qualifier played on monday afternoon. argentina v usa in toronto. argentina decided to bowl first. an unusual margin of victory. https://cricheroes.in/scorecard/756...-Cup-Americas-Qualifier-2023/USA-vs-Argentina
yorkshire have finally won a second county championship game this season, beating derbyshire by 277 runs. still last in division 2 but the two teams just above them (gloucestershire and derbyshire) haven't won any games this season. derbyshire's wayne madsen top-scored for his team with 93 in the first innings. and again in the second innings, again with 93.
This year the surprise package is Leicestershire who have a chance of promotion. Last year they didn't win a single match, something they've done before, and often they only win just once a season. Hey ho. The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
