Or maybe you agree with loyalist parades marching trough nationalist areas perhaps. A riot maybe mahem,violence and chaos by definition but the causes of riots are not the same everywhere they break out.
But in fairness there are plenty of respected and resourceful people in places like Tottenham and Toxteth etc etc. If these people were genuinely doing this because of poverty and because of social issues I'd have some sympathy but in the main these are just cocky little runts and gangs who have grown up knowing authority can't touch them. I grew up in Liverpool of the 80's when people genuinely did have a right to rise up (nearly 50% unemployment and no investment for 30 years etc etc) but these little ****ers aren't rising up against a government or society they're just on the bloody rob. They all have top notch phones, 200 quid trainers, massive tellys, free flats, opportunities to learn, tons of college courses available, but even still they sit around on their arses smokin weed all day generally doing **** all constructive (sounds appealing I know ). I accept fully the point about government cuts being likely to cause much further hardship in the next few years and it is scandalous that certain sections of society (evil banks etc) have been allowed to get away with stealing a lot more than a few looters ever will but....lets not pretend these loons are doing anything other than help themselves to some free ****.... Rant over
Yeah i agree with you to a certain extent. In all communities there are respectable members. But these days in many of the most hit places the vast majority are living in poverty (check the poverty rates of Peckham for example) and with no prospects at all then this is bound to happen, never have a generation had such low prospects. The difference between what's happening now and what was happening in Liverpool in the 80's is huge. The streets these day's have such a lower mentality than they did in the 80's. Back then people tended to stick together so much more, now in the majority of communities there is a serious problem of dog eat dog, it is a jungle out there now. Times have changed and this is just a consequence of the changing times (and obviously everything the government have promised and not delivered), people have had enough. This is the first time when a whole generation (nationwide) have been let down. Even the riots in the 80's reflected different communities. I agree, that many involved have just simply jumped on the bandwagon as opportunist thieves, but come on that was always going to happen. Interesting points you brought up though, nice one
Yeah but these yoofs ain't protesting against anything, like I said I'd have some sympathy if they were. They've got no respect at all......I blame the foookin parents
I'm off now anyway guys - I enjoyed the debate! (just off to collect some electrical goods and stuff) I'll be back later to continue if anyone's still about
I do not belong to any loyal order and do not support the marches. I do not wish the football boards on this site to descent into political / sectarian slanging matches like the GC.
The riots started over a family wanting to know answer to why their son was shot, this was just the catalyst however. Every riot protest and march has a starting point. The original cause is now lost, in the mayhem engulfing the street of what i fear will become more cities. Once it starts people do use it to vent their anger at the sitiuation they find themselves in. I'm not making exuses for the rioters, ive never understood the we live in **** so lets set it on fire and steal whats left mentality. their is more constuctive ways of building a better society. Unfortunatly Britian has no society, those who do well lock the doors and ignore the problems as is dosnt concern them, i'm all right so fook you. Those who have nothing have had their oppotunities to better themselves and god forbid get a job cut back untill they see no future. The divide leads to tension which once built up anough will explode, regardless of origin.
Martin Luther King might point to a black president in the white house as evidence against that...not that he can really point at stuff these days Anyway enjoy your looting
PS: I have it on good authority that the riots in West Brom started this evening following a declaration of interest in Christian Paulsen from Uncle Roy....[/QUOTE] I have it on good authority that the riots in Liverpool started when he said he wants to stay
This isn't a protest. It's chavs taking advantage of the situation. The government has failed to deal with the scum over the last 10 or so years and finally it has come back to bite them. Still they cannot handle them. Hope the police realy give some of this lot a hiding. Something their parents have failed to do.
but they won't a mate of mine who lived in Poland said that British police are to soft Until someone high up grows a set and say's enough and gets tough on these people
Constcrepe, I think I understand what you are trying to say. I also appreciate your desire not to make it an Ornage/Green issue - thank you. I believe that you are saying that when you are in a riot then your whole psychology changes, you get caucht up in what is going on and feed on the situation. There is no way of reasoning with people who are caught up in the riot. As far as these rioters are concerned, they are in the most part teenagers who have gone beyond the normal arrogance (I know my rights) to "what you going to do about it". They know that the law can do very little - no water cannon, no plastic bullets as they are only kids. If caught they will only be charged with criminal damage or theft and the majority will be sent to Juvenille Court. They are prototesting nothing. They are taking the opportunity to demonstarate their supposed invincibility and to grab what they can. What a lot of people, including myself, have been saying is that the socio-political environment in this country has created the environment in which these things can happen. It is a matter of respect and self-respect that is now totally missing in our culture.
