I don't think you understood that. Piskie, if you meant that the way I read it - that was bloody hilarious!
All your saying is that he wasnt a great player. We dont disagree on that but simply on our definition of a failure.
we seem to have lost our way with this thread. If we rely on a small first team group of say 15 players who are expected to play all the time, and buy £1m transfer (Squishy) over-the-hill 'squad players' to cover a once a season injury gap - then why bother? Promote the 'reserves and youngsters' who at least will get their chance to show what they can do (and justify wages). In reality we have lost major players to injury every year - so need quality signings to rotate where possible - especially when we have midweek games between Saturdays/Sundays. We have a large squad AND a large complement of youth.
What are you talking about ??? Good players at a club get much more than average player !! Colour is irrelevant. Try proving that an average black player on a lower wage than an average white player is being racially discriminated against. Good luck with that by the way. The club can provide a plethora of reasons why this might be the case.
totally spot on and I see no reason for this to be argued against. when he plucks a young player who turns out class he is Wenger the Wonder man, but if that player is a dud Wenger doesnt have a crystal ball
We lost Flamini because he was NEVER played in his correct position - central midfield. When we do finally play him (enforced due to injury) we see what a quality player he is. Who's fault is that PISKIE ? Is it not the manager who picks the team ?
No it wasn't - it was bloody obvious. Squillaci isn't quick and he plays in a slow tempo Spanish league. It was a stupid decision. It would make more sense to buy from French, Belgian, Dutch, English or German leagues because their leagues are more physical and faster paced. It was a stupid decision - without the benefit of hindsight.
Them and their pathetic little gang. For the record I see both sides. Wreh was a flop because he was a bit part player, nobody becomes a professional footballer to be a bit part. That said, he did score a few goals so he did a job for us. I'm not sure I would call him a flop. Now Chris Kiwomya ... now there's a flop
I never said that it could be proved, just that it might be illegal, and that I thought there would be a good case. You can have a different opinion, but I wouldn't want to play for a club that had any appearance of racial discrimination, regardless of what their plethora of reasons were. Not something any club would want to risk. I never said that anything could be proved just that it mght be illegal. Legality is not founded on proof. Murder is illegal, even if you get away with it.
The point though that you made is people of a similar skill level would be/should be paid a similar wage when that is not the case for many reasons. Colour aside (because thats NOT a reason) there are lots of reasons (previous contracts, bonuses etc) why one player might get paid more than a player with a similar level of skill, that's not illegal. If I own a company and I pay my nephew much more to do the same job as someone else of a similar skill level, that's not illegal, surely ? I don't know for sure hence me not being forthright with the view, but I can't see what law would cover that.
This is yet another example of why I call you out for spouting rubbish In the 07/08 season Flamini played in his CORRECT POSITION and formed a great partnership with Fabregas, he scored some notable goals, including a blinder at Chelsea and a rocket at Newcastle. It was only in the previous season when he filled in at LB (he played really well there incidently)
I think I am being side-tracked a little. I was just trying to outline why a respectable company needs to have a respectable wage structure to match. My original statement was that it could be illegal. All I was really trying to outline was that Arsenal FC are going to be no different to any other respectable business. They are going to want to provide a fair and equitable wage structure based on non-fluctuating, objective metrics. I don't think the structure is as rigid as say the civil service, but you can't take a kid like oxo and pay him the same as Walcott, even if you think he is better, because Walcott has more experience and plays the same position. Difficult as it may be to believe, you would end up with far more screaming and shouting from the fans, and probably the players as well. Wage negotiations would be a free for all. Look at Man City, each new player in gets a bigger amount. I'm struggling to see why people have a problem with Bendtner earning 50K. That doesn't seem to be way out of line. OK, you can argue 10 or 20K maybe. Then you look at Adebayor at a reported 225K.
That definitely could be considered unlawful. If two people are doing the exact same hours, the exact same work but one is being paid more than the other, the employer could be thrown a civil suit. Especially if it's due to nepotism. In the case of football, because there is no universal wage structure and it's all at the clubs discretion, it would be hard to prove discrimination. So many factors could be involved as to why one player is paid more than the other (marketability, revenue that player generates etc.) Plus, contracts can be negotiated at almost any time in football so it's not necessarily a fixed salary unless amendments are made. So if for example Walcott feels hard done by if Oxo is getting paid higher wages than him, it would hard to prove discrimination as it is subjective. Judging payment based one football's experience/skill/quality is hard to calculate, especially as it varies from club to club.
I hate to do this to you PISKIE but - YET AGAIN - I am right and you are wrong I said: This is the reason I am spouting rubbish but you agree with me He was not played as a CM previously, in the 06/07 season he filled in as LB - he played there in the CL final if memory serves. The following season, 07/08, he played in his correct position enforced due to the injury of Gilberto and we see what a quality player he is. He left us at the end of that season. So tell me PISKIE, again, where am I wrong
Kunta, nice for clearing that up. I said there could be many reasons why one player gets more than another equally skilled and the differences between player salaries at clubs is big, not small.
You do realize that our statements are not mutually exclusive don't you? All I am saying is that the difference should not be based on the manager's whim alone.
