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Rewarding Failure?

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by The Magic Man, Mar 28, 2012.

  1. enigma

    enigma Well-Known Member

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    Wreh scored some pretty important goals for us in the run in of 1998, bergkamp was injured and wreh was thrown in and did a pretty good job, without him we probably wouldn't have won the league that year
     
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  2. enigma

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    It also doesn't make them complete failures either, they played there part in our success, so to label them as failures is not completely accurate either.
     
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  3. Arsenal4life

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    Plus failure is relative. I doubt wreh or manninger were paid so well. Whereas the amount we pay people like denilson he is an epic failure.
     
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    Yeh but every club needs bit parts. Not every player can be club captain or top scorer <ok>
     
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  5. Arsenal4life

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    But you need a squad. If that guy is the 25th guy in the squad then it doesnt mean he is a failure...provided he isnt bought for alot or paid alot.
     
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    But they arent a failure are they. They did the job they were meant to do. Otherwise you could say everyone except pele, zidane, maradonna and messi are failures in football. You could henry was a massive failure at football because he wasnt as good as zidane or messi.
     
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    Well, he was cheap, about 5M?, very late in the Transfer window I think, well into August. Djourou and Koscielney were our only two other centre backs that year. It was so bad that in the second premiership game of the season we played Abou Diaby at CB, because Kos got red-carded the game before. Then in the 3rd game of the season TV went down and didn't get up again. Kos was injured a fair bit too, and Djourou went down half way through the season also.

    He was definitely signed as the #4 CB and ended up being played a lot due to the perma-injury to TV. I don't think 50K is a huge salary. Not saying he was a great signing, but circumstances made him far more of a regular in the team, than I think AW intended. Most people forget we were second in the league for a huge portion of this season with Kos, Djourou and Squillacci as the only CBs.

    Now I can understand someone thinking one of them is no good, but two is a bit of a stretch and I think there are people that say all three of them are crap, which makes no sense to me. The more you think one of them is useless, the better the other two must have been to cover for him.
     
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  8. Strange logic you have there. Just because someone else was (or was not) available it does not mean Squillaci was anything other than a mistake.

    We don't need to know why he was signed to figure out it was mistake.
     
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  9. Arsenal4life

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    Sometimes you should buy players to be back ups. Absolutly. Its called having a squad.

    I dont really understand your point. You have admitted that Wreh (A BACK UP PLAYER) came in and did a job when we had injuries. Thus, he fulfilled his role perfectly. He was never purcahsed or paid with the expectation he would become a first teamer (as far as I know he never really got a run in an injury free squad).
     
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  10. PINKIE

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    He also scored in the FA cup semi final that year <ok>
     
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    he wasnt a failure though. He might not of made the grade but I doubt he was one of the highest paid players at the club like bendy, denilson, almunia and vela are. They are failures. Wreh was just a guy who was a back up player. Did his job then moved on. How is that a failure. he wasnt good enough to start for us but he was never expected to be and was never paid (as far as i know) to be.
     
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    Remember him scoring a cracker against Bolton (I think) in the league, a game we scraped 1-0 in the run in
     
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  13. Arsenal4life

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    So if tomorrow wenger buys player x for £0 and he gets paid £5k a week for 3 years and then leaves but he manages to fill in and help us win a title one year then in your mind he is a failure because he isnt good enough to break into the first team? <doh>
     
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    I don't really remember the circumstances of Wreh, so I cant really speak about him, but Sol Campbell's resigning, Squillacci and Silvestre are all much the same. If you sign a 30(+) year old, you are not expecting them to be a great player, you are signing them as back-up. Squillacci has been dropped for a league game any time there were 2 other fit CB at the club. There is no indication that Wenger had any hopes of him being more than a back up. He just knew we needed to go into the season with 4 CBs. Unfortunately we had 2 of them out for bloody ages last year.
     
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    That's a rather childish thing to post in all honesty.
     
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    Not at all though. If someone is good value for money and does the job they are meant to do then they are a success and not a failure. This can mean the 5th choice keeper or thierry henry. How can you not see this?
     
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  17. Although a little less childish than trying to convince yourself Wreh was anything but a failure.
     
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    How was he a failure? Makes no sense.
     
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    Your attitude undermines who the true failures are. Those are players bought in on big wages or for big money who dont deliver value for money (i.e. squishy, bendy, jeffers)
     
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