Respect

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Scratchingvalleycat

Scratchingvalleycat

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No, this is not about posts from people who try to initiate an argument but about the patently flawed FA respect campaign that is allowing third rate referees to get away with blue murder. We have recently had Mr Mariner take the advice of his guide dog, not listen to an open and honest admission from a player of responsibility for an action, and choosing to send off a player of more value to a team looking to defend. Yesterday at the Etihad, Man City were awarded a goal which undoubtedly changed a game where Southampton were playing the better football and suddenly had to chase the game. Mr Foy the referee has yet to explain himself or apologise as far as I am aware for awarding a goal that was clearly offside. We have had a catalogue of poor decision making in the premiership

The we look at the championship where at the Valley we have had a series of appalling referees culminating in the appearance of Andrew Madley a referee from West Yorkshire (Barnsley perhaps) who is only capable of booking a Reading player for excessive celebration rather than for the physical assault the player carried out on one of our players in the first half. He was ably supported in this by a lino who couldn't keep up with play and one who didn't flag for the kicking that Jordan Cousins got right in front of him.

This sort of respect is similar to the respect shown to Hitler by Chamberlain. Managers who witness such atrocious officiating are not allowed to speak their mind in public for fear of sanction by big brother and are only allowed to comment in their match reports which then become bedding for the hampsters at the FA or the FL.

We look at the likes of Preston North End players and the Sodje brothers with disgust but a far greater malaise has befallen the game when criticism of poor behaviour is no longer allowed in the name of "Respect".
My father raised me to understand that respect was earned and not a given.

That performance yesterday may cost us a position in the league since we fell to a goal scored by someone who shouldn't have been on the pitch.
 
Surely the offside at City yesterday wasn't Foy's fault? The linesman presumably didn't see the flick-on so he's the one to blame.

If you're insinuating that our referee yesterday was biased against us because he's from West Yorkshire then I think you're way off the mark. Referees are not biased, rather they are human and will make mistakes. Some do come across as arrogant which doesn't help, but I do not doubt their integrity. I also belong to the school of thought that says you will benefit from refereeing mistakes as much as you will be unfairly penalised by them, although I understand that it doesn't always feel that way.

I agree that they should explain themselves more often. They do get punished in the sense that they are sometimes demoted or not given a fixture one weekend, in the same way as a player might be dropped if he makes a mistake, but there is still an element of untouchability around them which should be addressed.
 
The decision to let the Reading player go unpunished for his assault on Cousins was diabolical. It was early in the game, when the ref has to show who's in charge, too. There was a game recently where a shocking late tackle on Poyet only earned a similar talking-to. When refs blatantly flout the laws of the game they must be called to account.
Didn't think the ref affected the result, though.
 
We have been unfortunate this season in terms of decisions and luck, how many decisions have gone our way I am struggling to think of any? But we have had many decisions go against us penalties which haven't been given and also penalties against. We haven't been awarded a penalty at all this season. We have conceded many goals via wicked deflections and through moments of bad luck. Having said that we have scored many crucial goals in the dying moments of games and also had our fair share of wonder goals. Actually the more you think about it how many of our goals have been from corners, set plays or wonder strikes. Had a quick look at it seems as about 9 of our 27 goals have been in these categories.
 
Scratchingvalleycat said:
If you believe that you probably still believe in fairies.
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Lets leave Graham Norton out of this thread.

It is a fact that contentious refereeing decisions have been part and parcel of football since Noah was a learner swimmer. Surprised you initiated this thread - there are plenty of reasons to feel "cheated" about Charlton related matters this season, but I would not say that refereeing decisions was one of them.
 
I just want two things to be introduced in refereeing and I believe most fans would take to them like we have with Goal-Line Technology in the Premier League at the moment

(1) Referee's come out and do an Interview after the game... Journalists shouldnt be allowed to debate with them why the decision was given based on their answer but the Question should simply be "You didnt give a penalty for X reason, can you explain your reasoning for that" and maybe to begin with the journalists are only allowed to pin-point three decisions in a match.

(2) Failing that we should be allowed to hear what a Referee is saying... If we were allowed that entitlement we wouldnt even need them to come out after a match to explain their reasons because you would be able to hear them doing that with the players, at the same time there should be more respect then (which is what the Footballing authorities want in the first place) from the players because they wouldnt want us hearing them swearing as it would be so so easy for the FA to throw a hefty fine
 
Scratchingvalleycat said:
If you believe that you probably still believe in fairies.
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Yeah gotta agree with this...

(Evidence One: Reading Away) - Simon Church is taken out by their Defender... Nothing given
(Evidence Two: Burnley Home) - Penalty given against us for exact same type of foul outside the box
(Evidence Three: Leeds Away) - Penalty given against us for a 50/50 shoulder barge
 
Addick4Life said:
Yeah gotta agree with this...

(Evidence One: Reading Away) - Simon Church is taken out by their Defender... Nothing given
(Evidence Two: Burnley Home) - Penalty given against us for exact same type of foul outside the box
(Evidence Three: Leeds Away) - Penalty given against us for a 50/50 shoulder barge[/QUOTE
These are quite difficult decisions to make on the spur of the moment. What is worse is when a ref deliberately flouts the laws he is supposed to enforce, by merely having a "chat" after Cousins had been thumped as he tried to get up, or when Poyet was recently the victim of a thuggish late tackle. Both were clear yellow card offences at least, in clear view of the ref.
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Scratchingvalleycat said:
Do you still believe in faries Vol. We played 12 men with 9 for all the use that Callum Messup and Soddall were today. The rest of the team selection was bizarre by Riga and we fashioned our own downfall helped by another apalling refereeing display.
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I don't think the ref told Richard Wood to forget marking the Barnsley centre half for their first goal ?
I don't think the ref told Ben Hamer to duck out of the way on a harmless cross for their second goal ?

You are grasping at straws Scratch. 31 goals and 10 league wins all season has nothing to do with refs.
 
VolauVent Addick said:
I don't think the ref told Richard Wood to forget marking the Barnsley centre half for their first goal ?
I don't think the ref told Ben Hamer to duck out of the way on a harmless cross for their second goal ?

You are grasping at straws Scratch. 31 goals and 10 league wins all season has nothing to do with refs.
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Not the point Vol. The ref was poor and it wasn't the mistakes but the positive decisions he took that changed the balance of the game. However I fully agree with you that we fashioned our own downfall without the referees inept display and I am glad it wasn't only me that saw Hamer duck out of the way last night. With Soddal and Harriot ducking out of every challenge we had more duck than a Chinese restaurant.
 
We lost through our own failings BUT that useless idiot of a ref didn't help at all.
Has anyone seen the cousins incident just before the end .
Seemed to me a Definate foul on the edge of the box not sure if inside or outside though .
If the ref deemed it a dive he shoulda been booked if not he didn't foul himself .
 
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