The council sold a company it owned for to fund the building of the KC, just because other people happened to be customers in the business they sold, it doesn't give them any right to vote on what happens to a council owned stadium years later. It won't get messy at all, there's nothing anyone outside of the HCC boundary can do about it.
I now live in West Yorkshire, but I've been to the KC, and when I lived in Bev and Hull I used to have Kingston Comms bills. Can I vote in the referendum then?
This is getting ridiculous now.... I live in Norfolk, but when I had a biz in Hull, I had 2 phone lines. Do I get 2 votes?
KC always reminds me of KC and the sunshine Band and their 1983 smash Baby give it up. Plus i live in Hull so i want two votes. Oh and i used to work for KC (whankers that they are) so i deserve 3 votes.
Unabomber - you're spot on with your assessment of a so called referendum. The politicians were voted in based on their mandate for governing the local authority not passing the buck on to joe public.
How the **** did I end up being voted biggest twat (did I end up winning that?) when this French Tickler character is around? He's an absolute ****ing mong.
Spot on UB. If this vote goes ahead I think as things stand at the moment the Council will win. They have done a ****ty number on the Allams and even people who supported the Allams are having second thoughts now. Mr Allam needs to go on the offensive again and make sure the slagging off done by Geraghty is nullified.
Its not the whole council its just our Terry, the rest of the council seem to be frightened of him, Brady promised us a referendum but they will keep putting it off because Terry may lose it and he almost said "We will sell over my dead body". I wonder how long we will have to wait, Until the next election????
My thoughts exactly. The decision on whether to sell the stadium should be taken by people who've had the time to form a reasoned opinion on the pros and cons of doing it and have been able to speak to experts in the relevent fields. As someone who's studied economics and is currently studying accounting I probably have a better understanding of how the finances and benefits of releasing funds work from the Council's side of things than the general population. I would still want to speak to someone who knew more about finance and the business model the Allams were putting forward so I could judge how realistic it was and what the risk being placed on the future presence of the clubs within Hull was. Turning it over to a referendum is a complete joke, it's turning it over to people who don't have a clue what they're voting on and don't have access to people who do. The Councillors have the ability to call in experts to advise them and to ask questions where they're unsure about something. They're being paid to make decisions on behalf of the population that are in the long term interests of the population. If it becomes a referendum it's an admission that they're not up to the job and every one of them who votes in favour of a referendum should resign their post.
I think they're pretty sure they'll win a referendum, and if they do they can dismiss any complaints from those in favour if the proposals by saying it's what the public wanted. They wouldn't be wrong but we'd all know full well that it'd be down to the way they've influenced the people of Hull (the ones who don't know much about it that is). Unfortunately for us there is no one who is spreading the message about how great the proposals would be, the one person who tried to was Burnsy (and he put it beautifully) but the council jumped in and effectively gagged him from saying anything more on the matter because they were scared more people would wake up to the farce that is going on.
It's definitely political, and I'd go as far as saying party political. If it comes out as no then Hull definitely doesn't improve and they can blame the Tory/Lib Dem government for the increased unemployment despite them doing nothing to help even when they had the chance. If it comes out as yes and fails then they can distance themselves from it, and if it comes out as yes and succeeds they can claim it as their success for allowing the public to decide what to do. I think the danger we've got though is that those of us who do know more about it than others run the risk of either becoming arrogant about it and being viewed as football fans who have a vested interest in it happening, or being used by others for advice because we know more and end up giving advice we shouldn't. None of us are familiar enough with the industries involved to say whether projections are realistic or not, so we're all incapable of determining how risky the project is.
This is what worries me. It's so easy for the council to make the Allams look silly and make football fans look like we're just biased.
If there is a referendum, lets hope that the wording of options is devised by an independent body, as legally I believe it should. God knows how the Council would word the options, no doubt with a biase and begging for the "right" result. As stated in posts above, the issue is far to complex for a simple referendum, but the idiots have proposed one and are now stuck with it. Only the Allams can get them off that hook by walking away from the project and developing somewhere else. The only hope is that someone mediates and gets them talking again as both parties have dug holes and cannot now even see each other from those holes.
It won't matter how it's worded, both sides will be campaigning anyway and decisions will be made long before people get into the polling station.
You miss the point. It will still be knee kerk for lots of people who don't follow the detail of the politics. That's what always happens in these situation. Qu. "Have you stopped beating your wife"
thing is the only words that will be relevant to get the city backing the vote on polling day is 'premiership football' as i said before.this season needs promotion to get anywhere on the 'sports village'
