Ref!!!!!!!!!

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RVP: "REF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SERIOUSLY?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Book him, his face got in the way of my elbow!!!!!!!!"

Ref: <Has a quick look at where he is> ..... "Sorry mate, you are spot on.... Oi De Bruyne, we can't have you throwing your face into a Manchester United players elbow, yellow card. Sorry son, that's the way it is here at this ground. You'll soon learn lad"

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Not a Chelsea fan btw, if anything I prefer United, but that's just laughable, and all down to home fan pressure at Old Trafford. Had the 200 fans in camera shot not been waving imaginary cards at this non-incident, you might have got a penalty for Lampards handball. But you cry wolf too many times, and this is what happens.
 
was RVP actually looking at him though, and the Lampard "handball" was no way a penalty despite what Schmeichel says
 
Daveunited said:
was RVP actually looking at him though, and the Lampard "handball" was no way a penalty despite what Schmeichel says
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tbh he should never had raised his hand .. seen it given as a penalty most of the time
but I think Valenica was a lucky guy with his challenge
 
Daveunited said:
was RVP actually looking at him though, and the Lampard "handball" was no way a penalty despite what Schmeichel says
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Ah but that's irrelevant dave. Apparently it's now down to Utd players to ensure they move their elbows out of the way so Chelsea player can lunge into them from the side and thus get nowhere near the player as well as the ball.

The only thing laughable about that incident was that it was nowhere near as bad as the two tackles that had just preceded it. But then that's Atkinson for you - consistency and fairness seem to be unfamiliar concepts to him.

As for the penalty, I thought it was a definite penalty. Lampard's hand is in no way in a natural position for a player jumping to block a shot and trying to protect his face. Tho' the rules are ridiculously vague on that sort of thing - Carrick conceded a penalty at SB a few years back in a similar situation, so even the refs don't seem to know what to do.
 
Swarbs said:
Ah but that's irrelevant dave. Apparently it's now down to Utd players to ensure they move their elbows out of the way so Chelsea player can lunge into them from the side and thus get nowhere near the player as well as the ball.

The only thing laughable about that incident was that it was nowhere near as bad as the two tackles that had just preceded it. But then that's Atkinson for you - consistency and fairness seem to be unfamiliar concepts to him.

As for the penalty, I thought it was a definite penalty. Lampard's hand is in no way in a natural position for a player jumping to block a shot and trying to protect his face. Tho' the rules are ridiculously vague on that sort of thing - Carrick conceded a penalty at SB a few years back in a similar situation, so even the refs don't seem to know what to do.
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Of course a definite penalty. It is given 90% of the time. The chavs benefit yet again from a refereeing decision..<ok>
 
As for the penalty,
I thought it was a definite penalty. Lampard's hand is in no way in a natural position for a player jumping to block a shot and trying to protect his face.
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Tho' the rules are ridiculously vague on that sort of thing - Carrick conceded a penalty at SB a few years back in a similar situation, so even the refs don't seem to know what to do.[/QUOTE]

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You of course have your opinion but its clear from the video footage that Lampard brings both hands in to his body in a defensive action which is entirely natural when something is fired at you. :)
 
Robby202 said:
You of course have your opinion but its clear from the video footage that Lampard brings both hands in to his body in a defensive action which is entirely natural when something is fired at you. :)
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It's clear with his left arm, but not with his right. A natural defensive reaction would have been to bring his arm towards his face to shield it. If anything, he moves his arm towards the ball, which looks to me like an attempt to defend himself by batting the ball away with his hand. Probably a subconscious reaction, but his arm is moving forwards towards the ball as Cleverley strikes it.
 
Swarbs said:
It's clear with his left arm, but not with his right. A natural defensive reaction would have been to bring his arm towards his face to shield it. If anything, he moves his arm towards the ball, which looks to me like an attempt to defend himself by batting the ball away with his hand. Probably a subconscious reaction, but his arm is moving forwards towards the ball as Cleverley strikes it.
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The speed that ball was struck I'd doubt whether consciously or otherwise he would not have had time to think that through. Natural defense mechanism occurring there like arm wounds in a knife attack.
 
Robby202 said:
The speed that ball was struck I'd doubt whether consciously or otherwise he would not have had time to think that through. Natural defense mechanism occurring there like arm wounds in a knife attack.
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I agree with you it's a natural subconscious defensive reflex, but the fact is that he moved his hand towards the ball as it was struck. He's in the process of tucking the arm around his side, but when the ball is struck the arm stops moving towards his body and starts moving towards the ball. Conscious or not, that is a handball in the rules.

You can't use the fact it was subconscious reflex as a defence - the reflex action in a tackle is to raise your studs and lift both feet off the floor, but that's against the rules too. Part of being a professional footballer is overcoming your reflexes in order to play within the rules.
 
Swarbs said:
Ah but that's irrelevant dave. Apparently it's now down to Utd players to ensure they move their elbows out of the way so Chelsea player can lunge into them from the side and thus get nowhere near the player as well as the ball.
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One clearly wasn't watching properly if they call that a lunge. No foot left the ground, contact wasn't made on De Bruyne's part, so how did it constitute a lunge that was wreckless of any sort? I suppose Valencia's challenge (which was inches from being a leg breaker) was missed by you as well? Come on pal.
 
I remember Carrick getting a penalty when the ball hit his arm while running as the winger was crossing back in 2008 ..and chelsea fans kept saying it was the correct decision .. so why they are complaining when Lamaprd hand was even higher !!?
why we don't get those handballs decisions? refs should show more consistency, and Moyes is right, Refs should clarify the rules well, bcz it is not that clear and have lots of grey areas leaving it to the ref's subjectivity to decide
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theevilreddevil said:
We all know had it been the other way round Chelsea fans would have been calling for a penalty and saying the ref got it wrong and United buy the ref's
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Well the Chavs have been getting decisions in all their matches so far. What are the odds that 100% of all major decisions go in their favour at random? We all know the history of the owners and many call him the dodgy Russian.. <whistle>
 
ibodyslamrhinos said:
One clearly wasn't watching properly if they call that a lunge. No foot left the ground, contact wasn't made on De Bruyne's part, so how did it constitute a lunge that was wreckless of any sort? I suppose Valencia's challenge (which was inches from being a leg breaker) was missed by you as well? Come on pal.
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<laugh>

No foot left the ground? So De Bruyne was just rooted to the floor like a statue, with no movement whatsoever? Try and at least post a credible argument.

And I in no way said it was a reckless lunge. You've obviously chosen not to read the part where I said De Bruyne's was in no way near as bad as Cole's or Valencia's. With selective vision like that, are you sure you're not an Arsenal fan?
 
Swarbs said:
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No foot left the ground? So De Bruyne was just rooted to the floor like a statue, with no movement whatsoever? Try and at least post a credible argument.

And I in no way said it was a reckless lunge. You've obviously chosen not to read the part where I said De Bruyne's was in no way near as bad as Cole's or Valencia's. With selective vision like that, are you sure you're not an Arsenal fan?
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Okay, if you want to be pedantic, yes his feet left the ground, he was running, this is football, but no foot was raised to challenge for the ball or attempt to tackle. De Bruynes feet were rooted to the floor when the elbow occurred, watch the replay. No accounting for facts as Utd fan I see, in your mind anyway.

Well if you wanna do an SAF and imply something and then claim you meant something else, go ahead, I'd expect nothing more from a glory hunter. But you said lunge, implying it was reckless, which is completely fictitious as there wasn't a lunge. I'll sink to your level now, and be pedantic, watch this... Oh how laughable, at no point did you mention Valencia or Coles challenge, not on this thread anyway sweetheart....

Not an Arsenal fan no, I watch my local team, not one 350 miles away from where I live like you Swarbs.

GLASGH - Gotta Love A Scottish Glory Hunter
 
ibodyslamrhinos said:
Okay, if you want to be pedantic, yes his feet left the ground, he was running, this is football, but no foot was raised to challenge for the ball or attempt to tackle. De Bruynes feet were rooted to the floor when the elbow occurred, watch the replay. No accounting for facts as Utd fan I see, in your mind anyway.

Well if you wanna do an SAF and imply something and then claim you meant something else, go ahead, I'd expect nothing more from a glory hunter. But you said lunge, implying it was reckless, which is completely fictitious as there wasn't a lunge. I'll sink to your level now, and be pedantic, watch this... Oh how laughable, at no point did you mention Valencia or Coles challenge, not on this thread anyway sweetheart....

Not an Arsenal fan no, I watch my local team, not one 350 miles away from where I live like you Swarbs.

GLASGH - Gotta Love A Scottish Glory Hunter
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Oh no, you've called me a glory hunter! What am I to do? <wah> I knew I should have told my wife not to take that well paid oil and gas job in Aberdeen, just so I could continue to live in the town I grew up, just down the road from OT. Should we swap birth certificates and get the tape measure out to see who lives furthest from their ground?

And you support your local club, eh? How are Bath City doing nowadays? <whistle>

And yes, let's be pedantic. As you've seen the replay, you'll be well aware that De Bruyne did lunge for the ball in an attempt to make a foot in challenge. He missed the ball and blocked off the player. Hard to complain about getting caught in the face when you've just thrown yourself in front of a player at full sprint with your head at elbow height. As I said, nothing reckless about De Bruyne's tackle - a lunge is not by implication reckless, unless it is done without concern for the safety of others. De Bruyne planted his foot before RVP reached him, therefore not reckless and not a yellow card imo. Too difficult to grasp?

Just one more thing to take care of I guess:

ibodyslamrhinos said:
Oh how laughable, at no point did you mention Valencia or Coles challenge, not on this thread anyway sweetheart....
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Swarbs said:
The only thing laughable about that incident was that it was nowhere near as bad as the two tackles that had just preceded it. But then that's Atkinson for you - consistency and fairness seem to be unfamiliar concepts to him.
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Clear enough for you sugartits? <smooch>
 
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