Keep forgetting the F1 show is on Friday nights. Think people exaggerate the role the drivers play in aero development. Seb didn't "direct" Newey, he merely said he wasn't comfortable with it so he went back to the old spec. The engineers knew there was work to be done at the rear of the car, it was just finding the cause of the instability, Vettel didn't exactly help with specifying which feature of the car. At the same time Vettel was getting slagged off for using the older exhaust package in China, and people were talking about the newer package as if Webber was the one who designed it when Vettel reverted for Bahrain. All the drivers can really do is explain to the engineers what they're feeling from the car, it's up to the engineers to find out why it's going wrong. It wasn't like Vettel was defying Newey when he used the older solution, he was just using the package he felt he could do a better job with.
Hmm - there was a little bit of discussion about Vettel swallowing his pride at the start of this thread but I didn't read much else. I didn't watch much Sky coverage of the race weekend so I'll take your word for it. However, I've just watched the Kravitz video and at no point does he intimate that Vettel spotted anything. The engineers ran sensors and flow viz and spotted that the airflow was not going through the tunnel but spilling back out. Vettel certainly knew he preferred the stability of the original tunnel-less solution, and we knew as much in China, but that doesn't mean he pwned Newey.
Yeah same here, still not used to that show being on that time. I agree with you that maybe I'm being a bit too favourable with seb's input with regard to the rear, the engineers do most of that work and Seb can only be the guy that says it works or not. But Seb was very outspoken with it's flaw yet Newey was very determined to make that version work eventhough it turning out to be wrong from the start to China. Basically Seb got what "He" wanted and he was back to Seb of 2011, Pole and then the win, Newey's design was dropped of sorts eventhough he said that his design was the future for the season ahead. Ok he didn't own him all the way to Bahrain but Newey still ballsed it up and was yet still determined to make it work, was it pointless? we'll have to see as Seb didn't look very interested following Newey's first design.
I'm pretty sure it was Marko who called it 'the Webber-spec exhaust' or words to that effect. I think you're stretching things to class Marko as "people".
The version that Newey has stuck with is still on the car (further developed). All they've done is close up the tunnel after getting the sensor readings. They haven't gone back to the pre-Barcelona exhaust that was used by Vettel in China.
I'm not referring to that, I called it the Webber-spec to differentiate between the two, it was just the way it was implied that Vettel had had to swallow his pride to use Webber's exhaust and as if that was somehow to Mark's credit.
Do you have a link for that quote from Newey saying his design was set in stone for the rest of the season? Doesn't sound very Newey to me. The tunnel was a lovely idea, using the Coanda effect to pull external airflow in along the coke bottle to push it over the top of the diffuser while the bridge and downwash sent the exhaust out over the top of it onto the wheels to push it down under the diffuser. It could probably only work at specific velocities, though, and the effect would be lost on particular types of corner. The problem (and the design) came about because Newey just couldn't let go of the EBD concept, IMO, and tried to replicate it. Now that they've followed the standard solution of using the exhaust simply to seal the diffuser, the rear end is more stable and Vettel can carry more speed into the corners because he can trust it, which is more pleasing to him than getting pole and a win in one race I would guess.
OK. I was just trying to make a little joke. In our defence (I'm pretty sure I laboured the 'Webber-spec' reference, too) before the Bahrain GP it did look like Webber was just getting on with the car and its evolution while Vettel was floundering. Full credit to Vettel for wasting a GP in order to push the team into considering all their options, and I think this is fundamentally what SilverArrow wants to praise, but it looked like he simply couldn't cope without EBD. I think I commented on Vettel's post-qualifying ebullience on the BBC and he was no less excited in the post-race interview (Humphrey and Coulthard couldn't shut him up at the end of it) - it was nice to see and this is probably why. The strange thing is, why did it take until Bahrain for Red Bull to flow-vis and pressure sensor the tunnel when it was introduced at the end of winter testing?
I believe it was Brundle who said that with Newey himself in respect of "looking ahead and not backwards". So I would have to take Brundle's word for it in that he goes for a direction as he believes is quickest. It's just the hole he designed turned out to be flawed "for now" and not just Seb unable to drive around the EBD. So Chinese whispers with outside sources might of provoked me to say the things above in that Seb felt it was the wrong way to be "fast" yet Newey sounded persistent that his way was the faster of the two. I think what i'm getting across in short is Newey had what he wanted to make Seb fast, it didn't work. Seb got what he wanted (with the help of everybody in RBR) out of a rear and he gets pole and win, without those holes trying to give him some sort of advantage. Ok it does sound quite unfair as the recent exhaust setup is more refined than the last one in China, it's just the media try to portray everything Newey makes is the next Godly weapon and if you cant cope with it you are thus the issue where it has turned out the design was flawed. Yeah that as well, he stuck his balls on the line to help the team out and it looked to have paid off. Experts and fans were being quite critical in that Seb shouldn't fight Newey with regard to the evolution of the car, how much I'm not sure. But if I was a double WDC i'm not really going to just sit there and accept a car that feels flawed with engineers "possibly" telling me I'm gona have to just accept it as my team mate is coping with it. Rather than spending 7-8 races getting used to the "Webber spec", he got what he wanted and he wins from the off, thats what I'm also pointing at. Ok that's also quite cheap as if I got everything I wanted I too would win a lot. It just felt for me for the past few months that Seb really didn't like that rear and he made it known within the team that he was not intending to change himself to suite it.
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Makes sense, they will have to go for the same design as Sauber where it isnt a hole. But the fact that Red Bull have won 2 races and have used this for 5 races makes you wonder why it wasnt outlawed sooner. A shame for any other team who were going to use this floor for Canada as part of their upgrade package.
TBH, i don't think anyone was expecting a top 10 finish in Canada anyway. This won't hurt them that much, it's the top speed issues they should immediately focus on.
