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For example? Which teams have traded out 14 plus players and won something/ been promoted immediately after? Not that I think keeping those 14 or so would get us promoted. Serious question Jock.

The Championship is a lottery, play offs are a possibilty for nearly any team.

...and that is why the Championship is such an exciting league of which to be part. Beats the hell out of the Premier League.
 
Agree with the OP. It would've been wise to wait and see if Allardyce became available and try to lure him. Another option would be Alan Curbishly.

To those who don't mind waiting God knows how many years at having a crack at promotion again, I don't know where you get your patience from.
 
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Why should play offs be the minimum target? The only way to do that with the player turnover we have is to buy a bunch of other old gits to grind it out and repeat all the same mistakes. McClaren, Allardyce...all the same old names. Despite his decent season last year, McLaren is a serial failure, more bad/underachieving years than good ones. Fat Sam? Do me a favour.

Be patient.


absolutely right - it's impatience that got TF into this pickle in the first place. Slowly slowly catchy monkey this time.
 
...and that is why the Championship is such an exciting league of which to be part. Beats the hell out of the Premier League.

The Championship is very competitive, I'll concede that. Just like a tallest dwarf contest is.
Southampton, Swansea, Bournemouth, Brentford,
None of those clubs were remotely in a position like ours, none had lost as many players as we will (I reiterate for us, not a bad thing), and none of them has won anything (Bournemouth haven't had a big rebuild, Howe has develoed the squad) Swansea and Southampton have solid club philosophies in place, and Brentford are building one. You can do better Jock me lad.

Agree with the OP. It would've been wise to wait and see if Allardyce became available and try to lure him. Another option would be Alan Curbishly.

To those who don't mind waiting God knows how many years at having a crack at promotion again, I don't know where you get your patience from.
Allardyce or Curbishly? Have you no imagination? CLARENCE ****ING SEEDORF was of course the right choice.

As for patience, I have plenty of product in my car boot which makes time immaterial.
 
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Just think about it, Sunday/Monday live football on Sky or 30 secs of highlights (complete with sh@t presenters) on Ch4? Full page spread in the papers of our games or 5 lines at the bottom. Radio talking about your club everyday or lucky to hear your team name mentioned.

I'm shuddering even thinking about it man. We need to get back up any way that we can. If that means bringing in an old hacker of a Manager to scrape us up then so be it. Even if we yo-yo up & down for the next decade it'd be something. At least we'd be spending 50% of our time in the Prem.

Three or Four years in the Championsh*t? I'd rather spend the next four years counting the wrinkles on my dogs balls
 
Some of the rubbish on this thread defies logic. It's fair to say QPR this season have been one of the poorest ever PL teams. Disjointed, no pace, lacking quality, couldn't defend to save their lives and plenty will go this summer. We'll be left with dregs. We have very little quality coming through the youth. To build a promotion challenging squad from this mess would tax the best of managers let alone a rookie with no Championship experience. Add to that FFP, a possible transfer embargo and all the sh*t that will come with that and the demand is promotion?

Alan f*cking Curbishley? You must be on the poteen Swords.

We're stuck with Ramsey for the simple reason he'll accept whatever pisspot budget TF throws him, no big name manager would work without a big transfer fund and we've all agreed we can't keep throwing money at it. Accept mid-table as successful and take it from there otherwise it'll be the same old same old...
 
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Difficult to assess what is going to happen next season.
Depends a lot on whether we get a transfer embargo due to breaching the FFP rules. I would be happy with just staying in the Championship next season.
 
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Some of the rubbish on this thread defies logic. It's fair to say QPR this season have been one of the poorest ever PL teams. Disjointed, no pace, lacking quality, couldn't defend to save their lives and plenty will go this summer. We'll be left with dregs. We have very little quality coming through the youth. To build a promotion challenging squad from this mess would tax the best of managers let alone a rookie with no Championship experience. Add to that FFP, a possible transfer embargo and all the sh*t that will come with that and the demand is promotion?

Alan f*cking Curbishley? You must be on the poteen Swords.

We're stuck with Ramsey for the simple reason he'll accept whatever pisspot budget TF throws him, no big name manager would work without a big transfer fund and we've all agreed we can't keep throwing money at it. Accept mid-table as successful and take it from there otherwise it'll be the same old same old...
Spot on, but being an optimist I think that we should still be looking to bounce back up. What if Fer, Philips and Barton stay, McCarthy steps up and Grego-Cox scores over a score?
 
It is not easy getting out of the Championship and I do not think that there is a standard blueprint for promotion. We got up by keeping our older experienced players and just about sneaked it. Bournemouth had a settled team and resisted to bring in a load of high profile loans like Derby who failed. Teams can get it so wrong - Blackburn got Murphy from Fulham went they went down and he hardly played... and look at Fulham last year - splashed out on a striker threw in the kids , apparently played some good stuff but could not get the results, the crowd turned and soon it was goodbye Felix!

I do not think that a poor run of results at the start of the season will be acceptable to the paying spectators so with this in mind LES needs to assemble a squad that will keep us there or thereabouts. This will be possible if we hang on to.....Charlie.
 
I think that Fer and Matty might stay. Philips seems to be enjoying the environment and Fer would probably only get brought by a club who are trying to stay up, so he might feel that getting up with us would be a better option.
I can see both Phillips and Austin going to Southampton and if Norwich go up Fer going back there.
 
I'm shuddering even thinking about it man. We need to get back up any way that we can. If that means bringing in an old hacker of a Manager to scrape us up then so be it. Even if we yo-yo up & down for the next decade it'd be something. At least we'd be spending 50% of our time in the Prem.

Three or Four years in the Championsh*t? I'd rather spend the next four years counting the wrinkles on my dogs balls

what kind of dog?
 
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I can see Southampton wanting Charlie (Pelle is pony), but why would they want Matty?
Fer to Norwich is surely not on, both for him and Naarwich.

Not sure where they'll go but they'll go for sure. we have to presume that anyone who's half decent will walk i think. Thats Fer, Austin and Phillips for starters. We are far less likely to bounce straight back up this time round due to TF tightening the purse strings, the threat of FFP, Multiple players out of contract and the express desire to build slowly with youngsters etc. All very sensible of course but it does mean that there's now a long term plan supplanting short term gain. Any first teamer reading that situation and wanting premiership football will be off and you couldn't really blame them.
 
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We've not even finished the season or had the outcome of FFP and we're demanding success. We sound like Manure fans!!!

Simple example of what we're faced with - up front we'll lose Austin and Zamora. That leaves Grego-Cox. If we wanted to go down the instant gratification path of throwing money at this then I think proven Championship strikers cost around 10M (Deeney valuation, McCormack etc) - that would be making the same debt ridden mistakes, we'd be bemoaning that and, if it didn't result in promotion then we'd be having the same rant at TF about throwing money at a problem.

Let's not forget that the play-offs don't mean promotion so we'd need to splash enough to get into the top 2. Another 60million debt anyone?

Hoping for a good season is one thing (I know I'll be filled with foolish optimism whatever) but expecting it is another. If this is what we demand then it's not just the club that lost it's way, us fans have lost our soul too.