Rangers & The SPL collapse

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ThaiCanary

ThaiCanary

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Following on from last weeks debate on the fate of all the other SPL teams, if Rangers are not allowed to play in that league anymore, it now appears that the majority of other teams have voted against Rangers playing in the SPL next season. It also appears that most division 1 clubs are also sticking two fingers up at them following an approach to join that division.

Those that read the earlier thread on this topic may recall that myself and Supers could not reach much of an agreement about what was likely to happen to the other clubs in the SPL. I am sticking to my point of view and would also now add that as the majority of the SPL have voted against Rangers Newco joining, I would suggest these clubs also believe they will not fold. What you reckon? (Baring in mind, those chairmen are in a far better position to speculate than we are)
 
I can't see how Celtic are that far behind. Both club probably living beyond their means. Glad to see Doomcaster is still working his magic!

I guess the future of the SPL hinges on how much money they can still get from the tv companies, can't really see there being much appetite on a global scale for Scottish football. Therefore, I'd say the future hangs in the balance.
 
everyone in scotland who doesn't support them hates rangers, that's a fact. that is why they are being chucked out (and deservedly so for what went on) but don't be fooled - the clubs who wanted to keep them in are all the smaller ones - they will be in big, big trouble.
 
I guess there might some gambling going on. Rangers wouldn't have been in Europe even if they had remained in the SPL. Speaking to a die hard RFC at work, he says they will still get 30K for home games even in the 3rd tier and will probably take a big crowd away. That will clear the way for the new club to be back in the SPL within 3 years. And a year after be back in the Champions League. Of course that will depend on them having any money to pay better players to get them promoted.
 
redruthyella said:
I guess there might some gambling going on. Rangers wouldn't have been in Europe even if they had remained in the SPL. Speaking to a die hard RFC at work, he says they will still get 30K for home games even in the 3rd tier and will probably take a big crowd away. That will clear the way for the new club to be back in the SPL within 3 years. And a year after be back in the Champions League. Of course that will depend on them having any money to pay better players to get them promoted.
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That had crossed my mind I must be honest but I was left thinking - would they really do that? Could it really be **** or bust for Scottish Football as we know it?

Although I said I had not changed my mind I am left in two minds a little and picking up on some other points raised so far...

Everyone in Scotland who doesn't support them hates rangers - probably true and the same would apply for Celtic for the dominance these two have enjoyed throughout history (if for no other reason)

I guess the future of the SPL hinges on how much money they can still get from the tv companies - I believe the revenue is very, very little compared to that of the PL deal and is a very small percentage of turnover for most, if not all clubs in the SPL. The lions share goes to the Old Firm and it works out at about 3% of their annual turnover <yikes>

I can't see how Celtic are that far behind - I think they have been managed better. My understanding is Rangers found themselves so far behind Celtic that they pushed the boat out to try and catch up, which is where the real problems have started. They had a poor run of 3 league titles in 20 years and that was considered unacceptable so cash was thrown around in an attempt to re-address that in-balance of power. They have paid a heavy price and hopefully this will serve as a warning to clubs on both sides of the border but somehow I suspect some (or many) clubs will ignore it in the belief it will never happen to them.
 
ncfcpaul said:
They may as well move south start in the lower leagues of english football,better move long term?
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I hope this never happens and I can't see FIFA allowing it either. If it did, we'd soon have Celtic down here as well ! I know we already have Welsh clubs in our Leagues but that is totally different. Notwithstanding the fact that they were invited to join at the beginning of the last century, Wales is not a country it's a Principality although they do have their own FA. Also, I think I'm right in saying that FIFA never existed then and all rules were put in place by the English Football Association <ok>
 
My understanding is that the clubs accept they will be in a worse financial position, much worse, but had to do so because, a) their fans wanted it and b) Celtic supporters threatened to boycott any club who voted yes, so either way they are going to lose.
 
as said on the previous thread we wait and see what happens but i'd be pretty surprised if any good comes of this other than giving rangers the rollicking and come down they deserve. they'll be back in four years time but during those four years much can change and i doubt it'll be change for the better.
 
Carra_Rud said:
I think heard someone on the radio talking about Rangers buying Bury and starting in England, or did I imagine that?
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Nope, you did not imagine it. It could never be allowed to happen.

Latest I have read suggests the FA are paving a way so Rangers are relegated to the 1st Division on Scotland with a little restructuring of the leagues with promotion play off games (in case Rangers only finish 3rd or 4th I guess!) That is unlikely to go down well with a number of other clubs following what happened to Gretna a few years ago.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18625293
 
I am not surprised that Newco are not being allowed into the SPL, particularly when old Rangers owe a number of the clubs they are going cap in hand to a considerable sum of money - not a brilliant bargaining position.

Rangers were very poorly and allegedly illegally run for a number of years so they are in a bit of a different position to Celtic. Rangers won trophies on the back of spending ther people's cash and (allegedly) illegally evading tax. Celtic (to my knowledge) didn't do this and so couldn't compete in the 90's when Rangers won eight in a row pre the O'Neill era. A lot of the parties involved in the dodgy deals period of the club's history (W Smith, McCoist etc) are either part of Newco or hovering around it which again does not help Rangers case. I imagine that Mr McCoist had a similar dual salary policy to that admitted to by Andy Goram involving brown paper bags and used notes so I don't see how he can have any moral high ground whatsoever.

Whether Newco prove to be a success will depend on how much financial backing they get from their new owners. There are a number of the current squad who are refusing to have their contract transferred to Newco which makes them free agents and of zero value to Newco. If Rangers have to start from scratch with a very weak squad they may not make it out of the Scottish 1st Division (assuming that they will be allowed into it). I am sure that if the new owners are prepared to spend (legally this time) on the playing staff then Newco will quickly rise through the leagues and eventually compete with Celtic but I do think that they are highly reliant on significant investment coming in which will require a sugar daddy dedicated to getting the club back to the top rather than having any thoughts about breaking even or making any money from it.
 
just want to point out that rangers won 9 in a row *cough* ;)

my honest opinion is that if they begin in league three, it effectively guarantees celtic becoming champions for the next decade, probably longer.
 
Apologies for the lack or research. Nine dodgy titles rather than eight it was! Rangers in div 3 = Celtic looking to break the record - one down, nine to go.
 
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