oh dear, thanks Swimmer, my shuddering was justified, not homophobic in any way but ...... i shuddered
Good post and how international sport should be.. Musty in today's interpretation you can play for all three but that is wrong, You should only be allowed to play for Scotland as that is where you were born....BUT If your dad was english and he was there in Scotland say in the armed forces then you could play for England....Its slightly different than say a player like rangel who was born in Spain lived in Spain but now lives permanently in the uk because he married a welsh lass. His children were born in wales but should they become good at sport they can choose between wales and Spain and to me that is wrong, they should only be allowed to play for the country of their birth ...wales...
Now if you were to take an educated guess where do you think??? where his/her mother were living permanently.....I served on ships and no matter where we were in the world we were on British land just like any foreign embassy is the land of where they are from...
Then you're classed as being born in the country the vessel is from. If you're a full-blooded Englishman but happen to have been born on a Turkish airplane mid-flight, then tough. You have to play for Turkey. At least that's how it should be... PS. Anyone remember that Chris Birchall? A blue-eyed blonde man whose mother was born to holidaying parents in Trinidad (or was it Tobago?)? He couldn't be less Trinidadian, and he plays international football for them!
Wales is not a recognised sovereign state. While the four nations of the UK consider themselves separate countries internationally we're not. Make too much fuss and the UK will have to replace the four (Olympic worry) To most of Europe Wales is a region in the same way Catalonia or Bavaria is. Politically Wales has less autonomy than most regions in European countries. However, in football terms, I believe residency rules should be scrapped for anyone who doesn't move to the country before they are 18 and have self determination; but I would support the inclusion of international teams for those who are stateless.
As from Easter when all the hospitals in North Wales are shafted and services moved to the Wirral and Chester no one in North Wales would ever play for Wales again. Hmmm might work!
It's not that straight forward though Dai, cruise ships are registered from all over the world. Even The Queen Mary is registered as Bahamian! What if you were on a stop over for a couple of hours in, lets say Dubhai after your parents were returning from a holiday in India.
like i said there are exceptions and anyone born on a cruise ship or a plane would be classed as born from where the mother is from....
So, just to get this right, a Polish mum and dad living permanently in Merthyr for the last 2 years on Polish passports, go on holiday on Quantas to Oz, she drops in Thailand during the stopover, they return after 1 month and 1 year later they go back permanently to Poland ....and the child is ok to play for Cymru as at the time of birth, the parents were living permanently in Merthyr? please log in to view this image
So, just to get this right, a Polish mum and dad living permanently in Merthyr you have unwittingly answered your own question by saying the above quote.......their kids will be welsh..
I suppose then had Lloyd George been a footballer, as he was born in Manchester, he should have played for England. I think he would sooner have shot himself! His typical response to being questioned on the subject was along the lines of: "I might have been born in England but I was CONCEIVED in Wales".
we are not on about where you would rather play for but who you should play for and if Lloyd George was born in England then he has no right to play for wales does he.....
We are more or less a suburb of England anyway according to the majority of foreign peoples thinking, we dont even appear on the union flag when competing in the Olympics. Totally wrong imo...
don't talk daft valley, If my parents were english and permanently living in wales and they had me then on my birth certificate i would be classed as welsh born, Why would i want to play for England that is not my nationality, I would grow up proud to be welsh... Rangel has no right to be able to play for wales and even though he is a good player we in wales need right now im glad he has been refused....It makes a mockery of what international sport is all about...you keep it simple and only select people on where they were born......like rangels kids were..
Dai, let me get this right. So as in my case. my parents were on Holiday in Cornwall, when i was born. Both my parent are welsh as were my grand parents. My sisters are both welsh. I was in england for a grand total of 48 hrs. before returning home to swansea. So as i was born in England i should have no right to play for wales. Yet my siblings can. Is that what you are saying. Excuse me if i have got the wrong end of the stick here. But if that is what you are saying That would be absolutely nonsense. I do agree with you in that the residency rule is stretched a bit though.
Dai, let me get this right. So as in my case. my parents were on Holiday in Cornwall, again the clue is in your question... This discussion is whether a foreigner should be able to play for a country that he was not born in just because he or she permanently lives in that country now. the answer should be an absolute NO......why should they....play for your own bloody country where you were born and not try and play for someone else s because you were not selected by your own.......Its getting to common in all sport and ruining the true spirit of what international sport is all about.....I know lets just play for anyone who wants us and do away with the world cup and true international matches because we have Spanish,english,dutch born players all playing and representing the same country.....Its a joke and not an international game between two countries at all...is it.
