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Raith Rovers - Starks Park, Kirkcaldy

Discussion in 'Celtic' started by Bib Fortuna's Maw, Feb 1, 2013.

  1. rogueleader

    rogueleader suave gringo

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    Half a dozen - zero , in favour of ra sellick, is my prediction.
     
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  2. Albatross

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    This will be a had game on a difficult surface. I anticipate a difficult game. 2 nil will do me. Don't like reading the high score predictions since they hardly ever finish that way. Complacency is our greatest enemy and we don't seem to have learned that.
     
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  3. RebelBhoy

    RebelBhoy Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't like making predictions but I am gonna say six to the Hupes. Nought to the Raithists.

    A nice touch.
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  4. rogueleader

    rogueleader suave gringo

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    It is a long running joke
     
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  5. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Like The Rangers saga?
     
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  6. EspaniaCelt

    EspaniaCelt Well-Known Member

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    Yea but I say unto thee, is it not in danger of misfiring as it could put a jinx on our results? Maybe it's time to call a halt or, at least, change the number in the scoreline - 'six' is, after all, one of the three evil digits which mark the beast and it has been repeated on here more than three times. Giving it such prominence is treading on very dangerous ground ... we could all be doomed.

    "What everyone needs to know"

     
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  7. RebelBhoy

    RebelBhoy Moderator Staff Member

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    Seven is a good number for the Jews.

    They point to loads of groupings of 7 in the bible and that is reflected in Jewish customs and traditions.


    The Jews are a great bunch of lads...but I am not sure I am willing to just let this 6 thing go.

    I feel like them lads off of that TV show Lost who kept having to type a number into a machine for a reason that ultimately turned out to be meaningless...They even suspected that it may be meaningless at the time but carried on anyway....just in case.

    The Valenzetti Equation it was called in Lost...... On not606 Celtic board we have the....... erm.......um........ Vaticanzitti Equation
     
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  8. EspaniaCelt

    EspaniaCelt Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, interesting choice of name Reb - there are some who would declare el Papa Luna as the antichrist and as you have difficulty with disregarding the number, are you sure you have not succumbed to the beast?
     
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  9. RebelBhoy

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    I'll have to seriously consider this....maybe i keep using 6 because of that very reason and I haven't yet realised it. Old Benny does have that look about him.

    Maybe in the next series I go "bad".
     
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  10. EspaniaCelt

    EspaniaCelt Well-Known Member

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    By the way Reb, on a completely separate subject, re the photograph you posted, have you ever visited John Thompson's grave?
     
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  11. RebelBhoy

    RebelBhoy Moderator Staff Member

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    No sir, although I really should have as I have spent plenty time near there over the years.

    You?
     
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  12. EspaniaCelt

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    Not yet but I plan to next time I'm in Scotland which hopefully will be later this year.
     
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  13. RebelBhoy

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    In that case, I pledge to do the same.
     
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  14. EspaniaCelt

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    Was 'Lost' not taken from the idea in Brian O'Nolan's (Flann O'Brien) book 'The Third Policeman' - at least from what little of the series I watched, it struck me that they were all dead or dying and reliving something in their imaginations at the point off death. I turned off the series very quickly just after it started, as I wasn't enjoying it, reckoned that was the answer and that they were going to spin the story out endlessly. Did it actually end and if so what was the answer?
     
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  15. RebelBhoy

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    We were sold a dummy by the writers. they told us that it wasn't going to be that.......but it was.

    So people made up loads of theories that weren't exactly that.........and got annoyed when it turned out to be exactly what they thought it was in the first place. Except now they had loads and loads of nonsense loose ends that they couldn't be bothered tidying up.

    Very odd that you should mention that. I had a dream about moving a book by Flann O'Brien in my childhood bedroom. Not reading it.....moving it. Then going over to the spare room and swapping it with another Flann O'Brien book.....weird. I expect that means I need a hug or some ****.

    I watched it all but was aware that I didn't like it any more.

    Same with the later series of Prison Break.

    I have been able to cut all ties with Glee though.....which is good for me.

    I'm a bit like Blade. He is part Vampire and that helps him hunt Vampires. I am part nerd and that helps me put a hurtin' on nerds.
     
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  16. RebelBhoy

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    He's a good ****.

    With respect to Raith, and hopefully with their blessing, I hope one day that the SFA can make more use of the skills of Hutton.

    ]Turnbull Hutton on the state of Scottish football

    Aberdeen fans display a banner as a tribute to Turnbull Hutton
    By ANDREW SMITH
    Published on Sunday 3 February 2013 01:20

    WHEN Raith Rovers entertain Celtic in the fifth round of the Scottish Cup this afternoon, it won’t just be BBC Scotland’s live coverage that will give the tie a special ambience. (“The cameras, at last, have found us,” chides club chairman Turnbull Hutton).

    There is every chance the occasion will also be remarkable for Hutton being hurrahed in song by the opposition supporters. Last summer, Scottish football found in the 66-year-old its poster boy for upholding principle. It did so because of Hutton’s unforgettable “dead parrot” denunciation of the Scottish Premier League for their desperate attempt, in cahoots with other governing bodies, to perch the newco Rangers in the First Division. His words on the Hampden steps in July made him a champion for supporters of all the other clubs who felt locked out of the debate in how to deal with the Ibrox club.

    “In essence, the SPL is like a dead parrot,” Hutton said at the time. “It’s financially unsustainable. It hasn’t worked for the past 14 years, it has been a failure. It’s all gone belly-up.”

    Hutton was vindicated, of course. There was no soft landing for the liquidated Rangers and they had to begin again in the bottom tier. The SPL, meanwhile, is on borrowed time and will soon merge with the Scottish Football League.

    “That’s another story,” says the genial Fifer when asked to recall the events of that momentous summer. “The strangest one ever. People like to put their own spins on that. Being anti-Rangers or pro-Celtic was never a factor. It was my own view and I can live with that. And what has happened since suggests it was the right view.”


    He is supportive of the latest league reconstruction proposals that find clubs and administrators engaged in robust, transparent discussions a world away from the rancourous machinations of seven months ago.

    Hutton, a Harvard graduate, accepts that he may have contributed to the climate of “harsh words” then. In 35 years working in business he gathered a reputation for straight talking. Neither does he mind confessing that advancing years loosen the tongue. “We all have a Victor Meldrew gene, I believe,” he says. “And that means as we get older, we get grumpier and basically just tell it like it bloody well is.”

    Yet the backdrop to why Hutton bit back is, he feels, too often glossed over in the tale that gave him a “high profile” he “never sought”. He said his piece that July afternoon, having listened to SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster and his SFA counterpart Stewart Regan effectively warn the SFL they could be killing the game if, as Hutton says, “we didn’t sort out the SPL’s problem with Rangers”.

    And as he listened, all the while, he could not block from his mind the horrible problems Rangers had caused Raith director Eric Drysdale, and his club. Drysdale had sat on an anonymous three-man judicial panel that in the April issued a number of sanctions, including a transfer embargo and a £160,000 fine, for the malfeasance at Rangers as the club went bust.

    Rangers manager Ally McCoist claimed the punishment could kill off the club and demanded the panel members be named and, after their identities were revealed on the internet, the SFA confirmed that the trio were spoken to by Strathclyde Police after threats to Drysdale.

    “People forget all the nonsense with our director, forget all the nonsense with Ally McCoist banging on about ‘who are these people?’ and Sandy Jardine banging on about boycotts of other clubs. They were patently grandstanding, and in the process hanging out our director to dry and hanging out our club to dry. They forget we were then fighting relegation, had a crucial game at home that weekend, but then had to employ 24-hour security on Stark’s Park to deal with a threat to burn down our ground that Strathclyde Police informed Fife Police was viable.

    “So I wasn’t in the best humour when I went to Hampden that day and was then targeted to make the situation all right for Rangers with a deal to put them in the First Division that would require the rulebook to be ripped up. How the hell was I going to support that? Then I came out on the steps, had 25 bloody reporters and three TV camera crew accost me and I just told it how it bloody well was. Do I regret that? No!”

    At last Thursday’s gathering of SFL clubs, Hutton found himself in the same room as McCoist but the pair did not speak. “I haven’t spoken to Ally about anything from last year,” the Burntislander says. “There were too many people at the meeting maybe to have a chat. I don’t know, perhaps it was incumbent on me to go up and hug Ally. Then again, no-one from Rangers has ever been in touch with my director [Drysdale] to offer any words on what they put him through. But I had umpteen e-mails from Rangers supports agreeing that they should be in the Third Division.”

    A time to move on finds Scottish football with a genuine opportunity to progress. “There is a momentum for change and we can’t let it drift,” Hutton says. “We have the usual Scottish doom-mongers saying the two 12s becoming three eights never worked in Austria but, Christ, it’s worth a try.”

    Hutton has sometimes felt he and his board have been trying to keep the fires burning at Raith, figuratively, in the face of a perpetual Arctic drift. “Someone up there has smiled on us,” he says of two lucrative cup ties with Celtic this season – “if we had drawn Rangers my wife says I wasn’t getting out the house,” he laughs – and the live game match fee that will allow the First Division club to turn a profit for the first time in years. “We just haven’t been able to do that, despite cutting away at the costs. In a bloody recession the crowds have cut away too and we have these tortuous meetings which end with us getting the cheque books out to ensure the players are paid,” says Hutton.

    “And the Armageddon talk from Neil Doncaster about [Rangers] dropping from the Premier to the First? If you want to know about Armageddon, try getting relegated to the Second Division.”

    That fall from grace is the sharp contrast to the irresistible rise forever brought mind by a cup tie against Celtic, whom the Kirkcaldy side beat in the 1994 League Cup final on the way to playing top flight and European football the following year. Hutton reflects on those times in a way that few others probably do, because he has had to struggle in the gloomy shadow created by them. “The normal support will see the cup win, and the Bayern Munich game it earned, the Premier League promotion, as huge highlights. But when I look back from 2000 to where we are now, these are the worst things that ever happened to us, in some senses. We had to go down that route of the 10,000-seater stadium, lumping cash on players that were hardly used, and got carried away in thinking we were a bigger club than we were. I wouldn’t wish any great moments away, but I can’t say in all honestly that, long-term, they were good for the club.”

    Hutton admits the job is draining. “We have excellent directors, but they are in demanding jobs, while I am retired. So they have the energy, but not the time, and I have the time, but not the energy,” he says. “I was never meant to be chairman and, if I am alive then, I will step down in the summer. That is, providing I can get some other bugger to take it.”
    Scotsman
     
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  17. DevAdvocate

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    I watched every episode of Lost and I thought the finale was tremendous, it was not as simple as "They were dead all along", in fact it was not the case at all but I won't spoil it for those who have not seen it.
     
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  18. RebelBhoy

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    Loads of folk said they loved it. Not for this cat.

    I think I enjoyed it up to the end but was disappointed at the way a lot of things were left.

    I didn't mind the resolution to the numbers thing.
     
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  19. DevAdvocate

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    I think the numbers thing was a red herring (Or as Chapper might say, a Red Heron)
     
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  20. RebelBhoy

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    Shall I assume someone already said Gil Scott?


    Zaluska; Matthews, Lustig, Wilson, Mulgrew; Commons, Wanyama, Kayal, Ledley; Hooper, Watt
     
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