Judge not lest you be judged. I love the way people on this forum know things with absolute certainty. They know that Giroud and his wife don't have a relationship where they don't mind that sort of thing. they know that Giroud actually cheated. They know what he should and should not do. And once he has transgressed, there can be no redemption. Players cannot improve, they cannot get better. They are worthless forever. Arsenal will never win a Trophy. RVP will never stay fit. Ramsey is finished. Everyone knows this. They are all knowing and all seeing, presumably due to their perfect morality and perfect knowledge of all things. And they are confident in this knowledge and moral certainty.
Okey dokey: Cheating on your wife is wrong, and celebrating someone who does so is also wrong. There you go. Judge away. Doesn't stop that statement being right.
Absolutely, and categorically, no. I'm a close friend of the family. . . P.S. Everytime I deny it I in no way get paid to do it. P.P.S. But, seriously: no. P.P.P.S. No, no, no ,no ,no ,no ,no, no, no, no. P.P.P.P.S. . . .No.
You did . . . remember the wrong story. Is that a denial? Do I get paid for that one? Tricky. I'm going to add it to the bill, regardless.
I did not say it was right or wrong, nor was I saying that it did or didn't happen. You are the one making all the judgements here. As far as I know, he spent a night in a hotel room with a friend who was a woman. They both insist nothing untoward happened. I don't know anything more. I think you don't get the French sense of humor.
Who took photos of him in his pants? What kind of women friends do you have? Which is why Olivier apologised profusely to his wife and said he had to fight to keep his family. The holier-than-thou stuff is a really boring way of trying to ignore an issue. the issue being that football fans don't care if footballers do horrible things as long as they play football well.
There is no issue, because I really don't care what he does in his private life if it doesn't affect the team. I don't know what went on and I don't want to know, I admit it. But I do think people who think the worst and condemn others without knowledge, and try to stir up ill will towards them, are doing a horrible thing. It is yet another time when I just don't get how you can call yourself an Arsenal supporter. You guys spend so much of your energy trying to get people to hate/dislike our players and our team, I don't see how you twist that in your mind into support.
So if he raped someone, you wouldn't care as long as it didn't affect the team? And I don't know how you can twist things in your mind to make the fact that someone wears an Arsenal shirt justifiable reason to absolve someone of wrongdoings. Why should I ignore the horrible things a person has done just because they play for Arsenal and thus might benefit something I like? What kind of person does that?
It would affect the team because he would be in jail and unable to play! I don't know how you can go from me not believing a whole load of gossip, to condoning rape. How the hell does your mind work?
I didn't say you condone rape. I asked you a hypothetical. One which you seem to be avoiding. I asked whether you would care as long as it didn't affect the team (a scenario which obviously suggests he didn't go to jail for it ... as most rapists don't). If you want a less extreme (and topical) example, let's go for that. Say he got caught on video beating his wife up in an elevator, ala Ray Rice. Would you care, as long as it didn't affect his ability to play for the team?
Oh **** off, Murray you utter prick. This was a thread where the op posted a funny video which was made to promote a good cause, and has been well received by nearly everyone. How you managed to turn this thread into a tedious argument about Giroud and his private life is beyond me. All you seem to do on here is argue with people on petty issue, do everyone a favour, and **** off.
Rape shouldn't even be comparable to adultery. The whole point of the video was to promote awareness and the tolerance for the LBGT community not to be derailed into some personal vendetta because Giroud cheated on his wife (not as if the two haven't resolved those issues privately). So why the hell are you bringing up incomparable situations like rape or domestic abuse? Stop derailing the thread or I will delete posts.
I actually think what they are doing to Ray Rice is a disgrace. He has gone through the legal process, accepted his punishment and it seems his wife has dealt with it. We have no idea why he did what he did, or what the circumstances were or why the courts dealt with him the way they did. He could have been mentally unstable, hyped out of his head on painkillers, or one of a million other things. For him to be now tried and punished by his employer and the public is a disgrace in any civilized country, particularly one which seems to pride itself as a Christian country. I am not a religious person, but the Ray Rice incident is exactly why vigilantism, trying people by public opinion, and gossip are not in Jesus' playbook. And it is exactly why trying Giroud based on heresay and gossip is morally wrong, despite you trying to make out that I am morally wrong in this case. This is exactly why I started this with, "Judge not lest you be judged". Religion has a lot of gobbledygook and rubbish, but it does have a few gems in there too. Unfortunately Christians are too busy bashing gays and (metaphorically) stoning people to focus on the good stuff.
America doesn't get a lot of things right, but it does at least understand that its sporting figures are public role models and thus need to be held accountable when they do things wrong. Nobody was discussing that. Nobody even cares about homophobia in football it seems, which you should remember because I've brought it up on here before and been slapped down for it. So yes, possibly my sarky comments which started this discussion with Toledo were borne out of an annoyance that this thread is just a "look there's Arsenal players doing things" thread and not a thread tackling an actual ****ing problem in football. There's not a single post in this thread discussing the issue which this campaign is supposed to be raising awareness for. The OP even starts off with "Obviously the whole yada yada campaign is for a good cause but I'm more interested in the funny video our club has done". So yeah. That pisses me off slightly, when it's been made abundantly clear that no-one cares about homophobia in football. Evidently caring about it makes me either gay myself, or "miserable" (both of which I've been called on here for discussing it). The Toledo/Giroud thing is just a sidenote on a totally different issue (that people don't seem willing to accept that footballers are role models).
We seem to have completely different views on almost everything. Perhaps the reason that the USA is so morally screwed up is because they think prima donna sports stars with too much money and spare time, make good role models. I certainly do not want or encourage my children to behave like them in any way. Why would anyone think that? They are football players. It is sheer arrogance from the sports leagues and the stars themselves to think they are role models for anything.
Whether you like it or not, our footballers are role models. You can't go around chastising people for not having quasi-religious "faith" in our players and team one minute and then say they're not role models the next. We treat them, in every respect, like they're idols. We pay them more in a week than most people make in a couple of years, it's almost expected that the good footballers will have stupidly attractive and big-breasted "WAGs", people walk around wearing their names on their shirts ... we even give knighthoods and OBEs for "services to football". These people are hero worshiped. It doesn't just come from the sports leagues and the stars ... it's us. I don't like America much, but I'll at least commend them for tightening up in the wake of the whole OJ Simpson thing. When someone beats up their child or their wife (ala Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice), they recognise that they have a responsibility to send a message that you can't just behave like a prick if you want to have a job where you're treated as a national hero.
There is where I disagree with you in the strongest possible way. It is NOT the public's responsibility to send a message. That is the legal system's responsibility. That is why America (and your opinion of them) is so screwed up. You just said it was OK, if people beat up gay people to send a message, if they think their life style doesn't set a good example, or deny them jobs, or persecute them verbally. I totally disagree with you. What I may think of Ray Rice's actions, and what I think of him as a person, should make no difference to his life, once he has been dealt with by the law (if it applies).
