Rafa Benitez

" ..hardly put him top of most employers list"

So he's no worse off than he was before!

I don't even know why Rafa took the job, he was on a hiding to nothing. It's given him current experience and that's about it. He had a poor reputation at Chelsea anyway so that's not changed. I can't think of any other manager who's had such a negative atmosphere going into a job - I do feel sorry for him for that. I'm sure he'll get a rousing round of 'Rafa, Rafael...' at Anfield though - which might cheer him up <ok>
 
The treatment he is getting at chelsea just sums that club up really. Every club will have a manager they might not want, even we booed Hodgson a fair bit, but the victimisation Rafa gets at the chavs is horrible. They are bullying him, if not worse.
 
No mito, I'm genuinely not looking to wind anyone up, although I clearly have you.

If I'd wanted to I would have dropped one or two more incendiary bombs, my own opinion for instance.

No, just thought it made for some genuine discussion on the merits/demerits of Rafa the manager.

Beats a poll I thought. Or FaBio thread.
 
So what about all the talk of Moyes in for Rafa - RA wants a British manager ... really!! If Everton don't win anything this year I think Moyes needs to go to Celtic or another country where the league is a 2 horse race - win some trophies and then he'll be ready for one of the bigger PL jobs.
 
Don't think this is a wind up... very non-effective one if so. I'm not the slightest wound... seems a genuine enquiry to me with no malice.



I think the problem with Rafa is a matter of personality.

Rafa, as brilliant as he is, is about as approachable as a hormonal lioness with a thorny acacia branch stuck up her arse.

You take an environment where you have hostile fans; players who have to be in the doldrums from lower than expected results and a constant changing of management... and Rafa is absolutely the wrong manager for the short-term.

We had the same problem with him... if we ran into bad periods he had difficulty motivating the players to get back up.

Most of the time he is great... but he can be bad and frustrating.

Most of what is good at Liverpool years after his departure he set up. The kids who are breaking through now... Rafa signed them. Our best first team players (many of them were from the Rafa years).

We would not be this bad now had Rafa not left.


Yes, I would take Rafa back... but think he is absolutely wrong for Chelsea.
 
The Chief said:
No mito, I'm genuinely not looking to wind anyone up, although I clearly have you.

If I'd wanted to I would have dropped one or two more incendiary bombs, my own opinion for instance.

No, just thought it made for some genuine discussion on the merits/demerits of Rafa the manager.

Beats a poll I thought. Or FaBio thread.
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ah ha! the classic windup reply when being called on a wind up <laugh> must've wound me up! hilarious.

the pros never need offer their own opinion, they just need a topic to start others off and let them do the work.. hence rafa.. a random enough topic even though chelsea let a 2-0 slip.

anyway milk is right.. agent rafa has the chelsea fans so wound up you'd think he was a 606 old stager.
 
It was never going to work ,it's one of the craziest appointments since we bought downing!

Rafa seems a good man and obviously he did well for us but I don't think he is a good man manager and if he has gone in there and ruffled the feathers of the chelski mafia ,which I am sure he has, he will not be popular. The fans don't want him there and the players look like they did when they wanted rid of scolari and avb.

I will be very surprised if he sees the end of the season and if is still at the club when Chelsea come to Anfield. Wonder how he will feel ? I am sure the fans would give him a good reception..better than his own 'fans' do.

But it's great watching chelski self implode once again and wouldn't it be great if we could finish above them this season (yes I know but you never know )
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
ah ha! the classic windup reply when being called on a wind up <laugh> must've wound me up! hilarious.

the pros never need offer their own opinion, they just need a topic to start others off and let them do the work.. hence rafa.. a random enough topic even though chelsea let a 2-0 slip.

anyway milk is right.. agent rafa has the chelsea fans so wound up you'd think he was a 606 old stager.
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Whatever mito, I don't really care a **** what you think.

Everyone else has taken it in the spirit it was intended.
 
johnsonsbaby said:
So what about all the talk of Moyes in for Rafa - RA wants a British manager ... really!! If Everton don't win anything this year I think Moyes needs to go to Celtic or another country where the league is a 2 horse race - win some trophies and then he'll be ready for one of the bigger PL jobs.
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Unless he managed to get his knuckles on ol' big ears (extremely unlikely), I think if he moved to Celtic if would only damped his reputation no matter how many trophies he won. There have been managers that have dominated in Scotland such as Strachan and O'Neill but they have not had the same impact in this country.

I don't ever see a manager such as Moyes going to Chelsea either, he has far too much pride and principles to be made to look like such a mug!
 
It's also no longer a two horse race up there so it wouldn't prove much.

For Moyes, he needs to get Everton in europe and have a run at it, even if it's the europa league. Nothing wrong at all with Everton having a full tilt at that, it would give him experience that he needs and is lacking.
 
The Chief said:
Whatever mito, I don't really care a **** what you think.

Everyone else has taken it in the spirit it was intended.
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I didn't <ok> I took it as a fishing trip because the answer's obvious...Rafa and the chavs are a match made in hell. Roman brought him in to try and get Torres firing and **** the rest. RA wants to be as good a Fantasy manager as me but he's actually worse than Gonz <laugh> He was desperate to prove he'd done the right thing paying £50 mill for Torres and not look like a bit of a balloon.
 
Nothing to discuss, really. The answers are obvious.

When he took the job I said he wouldn't last five minutes, so actually he's doing alright.
 
Right, so the answer would appear to be obvious.

That being that he was always going to fail anyway and so this bears no relation to his talent as a manager? Am I interpreting that correctly?

I'll be honest with you, I don't really think that is how either Benitez or Abramovic saw it if I'm absolutely honest. I think they thought it was an opportunity for Benitez to take over, prove how good he really is, and then get the job full time having served a trial of sorts, which would also win over the fans as he was supposed to succeed while he was at it.

That'll have been the real plan. Hasn't quite panned out though obviously.
 
jaffakop said:
The treatment he is getting at chelsea just sums that club up really. Every club will have a manager they might not want, even we booed Hodgson a fair bit, but the victimisation Rafa gets at the chavs is horrible. They are bullying him, if not worse.
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How's it really any different to how you lot treated woy. Who incidentally his record was better than what kenny did. You lot see yourselves through rosé tinted specs then have a pop at everyone else for doing the same..

Personally I thought rafa was and is a sack of ****. He won you lot the CL with houlliers team pretty much then went about ****ing it up for you all and left you where you are. I liked houllier too.. Probably the only manager you lot have had I didn't hate.
 
Milk Milk said:
Don't think this is a wind up... very non-effective one if so. I'm not the slightest wound... seems a genuine enquiry to me with no malice.



I think the problem with Rafa is a matter of personality.

Rafa, as brilliant as he is, is about as approachable as a hormonal lioness with a thorny acacia branch stuck up her arse.

You take an environment where you have hostile fans; players who have to be in the doldrums from lower than expected results and a constant changing of management... and Rafa is absolutely the wrong manager for the short-term.

We had the same problem with him... if we ran into bad periods he had difficulty motivating the players to get back up.

Most of the time he is great... but he can be bad and frustrating.

Most of what is good at Liverpool years after his departure he set up. The kids who are breaking through now... Rafa signed them. Our best first team players (many of them were from the Rafa years).

We would not be this bad now had Rafa not left.


Yes, I would take Rafa back... but think he is absolutely wrong for Chelsea.
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<laugh> ****ing superb, hoke <ok>
 
Rafa could have easily stayed in Spain and managed there for the next 25 years but he had the balls to get out of his comfort zone and has had some decent success.

It would be interesting to see some British managers do the same like maybe Ferguson or Moyes manage in the Spanish league, now that would be funny. I reckon the fans would be waving white flags after two weeks of Scottish hoofball.
 
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