So, Juventus, Inter Milan, AC Milan, Bayern Munich, Chelsea, Barcelona and Real Madrid were all **** when Sir Alex beat them.
By this rule of thumb Bob Paisley never beat anyone of note while winning the European cup three times, because Spanish football didn't count back then, and the only decent side Brian Clough beat while winning it twice was Liverpool. All the rest were ****. Therefore, they weren't really that much cop as managers.
* silence, as Chelsea knobhead goes off to check Wiki to see who Liverpool and Forest played in the European cup before thinking of his next ridiculous way of portraying his argument*
It is true that Pool, Villa and Forest won European Cups when Italian and Spanish clubs were weak. German sides were strong. Italian football was embroiled in scandal as usual. Roma were okay but Juve were the first very good Italian side that Pool played. Loved that Juve side, they basically had the best three players from Espana 82: Boniek Platini and Rossi.
I'm trying to find a source for that quote from Matarazzi:- "I thanked Mourinho for leaving me with that buffoon Benitez" Obviously most of the scousers won't believe it unless it's confirmed on RAWK and written on a tablet in stone
Yeah, I saw it play us in the cup winners cup as it goes, they knocked us out in the 84 semi. Dino Zoff in goals. We'd knocked a Barcelona containing Maradona out the previous round but they were ****, obviously as we won. Anyway, so you accept that the competition in the European cup wasn't great back then so that surely means those managers are not up to much either. Glad we cleared that up then.
I don't think Londons will be happy until we all just admit Fergie's rubbish and its sheer coincidence he's been able to dominate such a clearly superior team like Chelsea. God its like dealing with Liverpool fans. He can't deal with the ever increasing gulf between the clubs so he goes to ever increasing lengths to have a dig at us.
Moves the parameters? Surely not? After all, beating a Barca side that didn't win the league in 2008 is nothing special, whilst beating a Barca side that didn't win the league in 2012 is the greatest achievement in the history of forever. And of course beating Mourinho's Inter in 2009 doesn't count as beating a great team cos that wasn't the season they won the treble. Nor does beating Bayern in 99 when they almost won the German treble, or beating Juve in 98 or 99. Durrr
Yep that Barca side had won 15 in a row, was right back in La Liga race, 55 unbeaten at camp nou, until the magic combination of Chelsea Fc and JM (then at real) ended Pep's dynasty. Chelsea started it with a lucky 1-0 win at the Bridge, JM took advantage with a win at the Nou camp (Saffa never managed this in 20 years) and then Chelsea finished em off with ten men a few days later.
Oooh goody, more selective stats. SAF is also unbeaten over 20 years against Barca at home. Something JM couldn't even manage for three years at Chelsea. Proof P.S. We're still waiting for your explanation of how double winning Bayern in 99, five in a row Italian champions Inter in 09 and double Italian champions Juve in 98 weren't great teams when compared to second placed Barcelona in 2012. Should be good...
SAF, a manager so **** that he has won twice as many European Cups with United than every manager combined has with Chelsea. To say United have been lucky in Europe considering how Chelsea won it last season is just a bit silly. Nowt against Chelsea, just a ****ing stupid argument.
That's right, the Juve 98 side that drew five of their CL group games and only got eight points and were out of the title race by December were much better than Barca 12 who were still probably the best team in Europe despite ceding the league to Real and Cup to Chelsea. And possibly the best team of their generation.
So your entire argument is Chelsea have one fluky result in the CL and that makes them superior to United? You beat Barca so you're better despite the fact you crashed and finished 6th in the PL that year and are the only champions to fail to make it out of the group stages this year.
Errrr no. I was talking about the Juve side of 98 who won Serie A and the Supercoppa and lost in the CL final. After we beat them in the group stage. Through incisive passing and superior play rather than parking the bus and hoping they would miss the dozens of chances we presented them with. Try to keep up, you're just making yourself look like even more of a plastic who didn't start supporting till 2004 Nothing on Bayern or Inter? Didn't think so....
Juve were terrible for most of the 98/99 season, mostly because Del Piero was out injured for the first half of the season and Zidane looked burnt out after his amazing display in the World Cup, but after they replaced Lippi with Ancelotti and Del Piero got back to full fitness Juve were a much more dangerous team, their form improved and they managed to climb up the table (they were still well off the top but they did close the gap) and they continued that form for most of the following season when they barely lost the title on the very last day.
Wrong. They were 9 points behind after match day 16 and finished 16 points off the top at the end. Hardly a big improvement. After match day 19 they were seventh. After match day 24 they were seventh. They got ancelotti in and finished sixth, ahead of seventh place on goal difference. Yep, they were some side that season Juve. Up there with Milan 89, milan 07, and Barca 2012.
Ancelotti didn't take over until February and the team won more matches in that last dozen or so games of the season than they had done in over 20 games earlier in that season, their problem for most of the season wasn't that they were a shockingly bad team, it's that they just could not score a goal once Del Piero went out injured, I think they scored as many goals in the last third of the season under Ancelotti as they had done in the rest of the season under Lippi, when United played them they were starting to hit form, form that they continued in to the next season when they only lost the Serie A title on the last day of the season with arguably a weaker team after losing players such as Henry, Deschamps and Di Livio.
