Because you fudged the answers PNP. Your club have admitted it's a problem and that it's likely that sections of the Jewish community are offended by it. Why can you not admit the same ?
More assumption and in complete opposition to the evidence. I didn't fudge any answers, I just gave the correct ones and you don't like them.
Why should we or anyone else admit to something that by your own definition is "likely"...by the same token its just likely to be unlikely. Come back when you've got something better...it should be impossible to do any worse!
It's not an assumption it's what your club admitted to: You fudged the answers, because you had spent the entire thread claiming that this was not a problem, then I showed you evidence where your club believe it is. So instead you decided to call me a WUM to try and deflect attention away from this evidence.
That doesn't say that it's likely that any members of the Jewish community or our fans are offended by it. It says that it's a sensitive issue. You've assumed that it means something that's not stated, again.
It's not my definition, it's THFC's assertion that if your fans understood how sensitive it was to the Jewish community, then they would choose not to use it. Obviously your club feel that currently some of your fans are insensitive to the Jewish Community.
I don't find 'Yid' offensive either, but the point is that Spurs fans need to recognise that it is an offensive term to some and that 'claiming' it for their football club is a rather crass attempt at trying to play down it's derogatory meaning to Jews.
So why do you think the club would say that those who knew how sensitive Jewish fans would be to the issue would choose not to use it, if Jews were not offended by it ? In other words, could you reasonably assume that THFC are saying that those fans who choose not to use it, choose not to, so as not to OFFEND the Jewish community ?
If Jews were offended by it, then they wouldn't use it. What you mean is that the club believes that some members of the Jewish community may be offended by it or merely dislike it or find it distasteful. You've generalised and used assumptions, again.
Or any Jew exposed to the chanting. Remember this chanting is broadcast across, TV, Radio and Internet to an audience of millions. Are Spurs fans trying to claim that it won't cause offence to any Jews ? In fact some Jews have already complained that it does, that's why the club are trying to start to address it. Even though their fans deny it's a problem.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...emitic-abuse-by-Society-of-Black-Lawyers.html http://www.cartilagefreecaptain.com...am-hotspur-legal-action-anti-semitism-yid-use Looks like the clubs stance is different to yours. The club looked into this 8yrs ago at the request of Kick It Out and the PL...nothing done. http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/News/Archive/news_2004_11_6750.page
If the club believe that some members of the of the Jewish community may be offended by it, then there is every justification to take action against it. As prominent Jews have complained about it, it is neither an assumption or generalisation to suggest that it causes offense to some parts of the Jewish Community. The fact that you have denied that it's a problem is in direct contradiction to the evidence.
Which prominent Jews would those be, then? A Chelsea fan who wants to pass the blame for his fellow supporters' behaviour elsewhere and, er...?
Point being that the club will have to deal with complaints from Jewish people seriously. Claiming that 'they don't mean to offend' is not a reasonable defence.
Now who's making assumptions ? As he is a Jewish man who has complained about these chants, are you dismissing his right not to be racially abused ?
He's not being racially abused by Spurs fans and he's not claiming that he is. Another loaded question. He's claiming that Spurs fans are encouraging his fellow Chelsea fans to act in an anti-Semitic fashion by their show of solidarity with fans that are also part of the Jewish community. Given that he's admitted that he's witnessed countless acts of anti-Semitism by Chelsea supporters and yet has chosen to continue to follow that club is bad enough. When his first and apparently only public action to address such behaviour is to go after a club that's showing it's opposition to it, I'd say that he's misguided, at best.
I would say that trying to 'claim' the word 'Yid' from the Jewish Community and chanting it in the ground as a way of 'showing oppositon' to anti-semetism is misguided at best.
Your assumption is that it is. My opinion and THFC's opinion is that it could be construed as being offensive to some sections of the Jewish community.
