Racial tensions

[Hoddle is a god]

For me, when Spurs fans chant "Yid Army!" it is akin standing up against the racist taunts that we have had to put up with for decades. It's like a rival (racist) fan demanding that "all the Jews stand up and identify yourselves so that we can ridicule you," and all Spurs, Jews and non-Jews, standing up and saying, "we're the Yid Army! Ridicule us all for being Spurs fans, not for which religion we follow."

The fact that it is Spurs fans that have been arrested, charged and brought to trial is an absolute disgrace and yet another abject failing on the part of our so-called "justice" system. It's also craven cowardice on the part of the police who, as someone else has already pointed out, have far worse culprits to arrest, if stamping out racism is actually their real agenda.

 

[littleDinosaurLuke]

For me, when Spurs fans chant "Yid Army!" it is akin standing up against the racist taunts that we have had to put up with for decades. It's like a rival (racist) fan demanding that "all the Jews stand up and identify yourselves so that we can ridicule you," and all Spurs, Jews and non-Jews, standing up and saying, "we're the Yid Army! Ridicule us all for being Spurs fans, not for which religion we follow."

The fact that it is Spurs fans that have been arrested, charged and brought to trial is an absolute disgrace and yet another abject failing on the part of our so-called "justice" system. It's also craven cowardice on the part of the police who, as someone else has already pointed out, have far worse culprits to arrest, if stamping out racism is actually their real agenda.

Well said; this is exactly the issue. Spurs fans are diffusing the situation. Spurs is perceived to be a Jewish club and therefore a potential target for racial/religious abuse by that mere association. The police/CPS fail to understand how self deprecation can have the effect of spiking the racists' guns. Woody Allen (a Jew) has made a career out of it. Ditto Julian Clary- is he homophobic? Was Jo Brand also homophobic when she said she looked like "Julian Clary on steroids" when playing Aladdin? I don't think so - most people saw the joke without being offended.

 

[notsosmartspur]

Boss, I am Jewish and am thoroughly ticked off that the Met and others seems to have an agenda regarding the word "Yid" and I think that its because we we live in the world of "PC" speech and litigation is now used widely to inflate that nonsense.
Not being able to visit the Lane in recent times I can only comment on what I hear and read about it, but there are far worse insults used at football grounds than that.
I can recall when using the "F" word was deemed an offence and now it has become part of our everyday speech.
Would like to know why the club will not release the findings of the survey as it would give us a snapshot of feelings within the Spurs community.

Its in the club statement, can't release it as the results could prejudice the ongoing court cases.

 

[Swords Hoopster.]

Just as a matter of interest, roughly what would the Spurs fan Jew/Gentile ratio be nowadays?

 

[lennypops]

It would be absolutely absurd if these people are found guilty. Should charges be brought every time that a musician uses the n-word? Jesus Christ - even David Cameron realises that context is crucial here.

Speaking as someone who can actually see some tangible benefits to political correctness I totally believe that this prosecution is absolutely absurd and does nothing to help anyone in this country or any other. This is not a civilising step (as application of political correctness can be) but is just the opposite.

And now people who really do need to be kept in check with what they say and where/how they say it have a totally justified example for how "all this political correctness has gone mad" and can equate their desire to scream "***" or "coon" at people as being the same as Spurs supporters proudly chanting that they are yids.

 

[Swords Hoopster.]

Jesus Christ

He's the one that started it all in the 1st place

 

[lennypops]

He's the one that started it all in the 1st place

Is that antisemitic or anti-Christian? Either way you should be prosecuted - someone somewhere must be able to pretend to be offended.

As Emo Philips once said: "Racism and homophobia and any kind of prejudice is wrong - there are so many good reasons to hate people". And on that note I would like to say that David Baddiel is a total arsehole.

 

[redwhiteandermblue]

For me, when Spurs fans chant "Yid Army!" it is akin standing up against the racist taunts that we have had to put up with for decades. It's like a rival (racist) fan demanding that "all the Jews stand up and identify yourselves so that we can ridicule you," and all Spurs, Jews and non-Jews, standing up and saying, "we're the Yid Army! Ridicule us all for being Spurs fans, not for which religion we follow."

The fact that it is Spurs fans that have been arrested, charged and brought to trial is an absolute disgrace and yet another abject failing on the part of our so-called "justice" system. It's also craven cowardice on the part of the police who, as someone else has already pointed out, have far worse culprits to arrest, if stamping out racism is actually their real agenda.

I was about to say, "Well said," then saw LDL beat me to it. It reminds me that I'm only a Jew with two groups of people: the Jewish side of my family and anti-Semites.

 

[Spurm]

Just as a matter of interest, roughly what would the Spurs fan Jew/Gentile ratio be nowadays?

I doubt anyone here would know. I would say easily more gentiles than jews. That was probably always the case though, but we have more jews than other clubs (Arsenal have quite a lot too i believe)

 

[No Kane No Gain]

We never "reappropriated" anything.
They used the word in a nasty attempt to offend Spurs and its alleged Jewish support
(a fallacy in itself) . We nullified that attempt emphatically.

And as I will continually say :

NONE of these Spurs haters have the integrity to even ACKNOWLEDGE the fact,
or COMMEND us for having done it all those years ago.

And as for Baddiel, I have no time for a **** , who as a Jew, cannot deal with the fact
that the club he SUPPORTS has a significant vile element who require only the singing
of ONE WORD by Spurs supporters to trigger their bile.

In Baddiel's World we should probably ban fans that "look a bit Jewish" from going to as they're surely going to encourage those racists too. Poor racists, it's not their fault it's all Spurs' fault that they have to throw unacceptable abuse at our fans every game. Perhaps we should do a whip round and get them some sore throat medicine, it can't be easy shouting anti-semitic slurs all game

 

[No Kane No Gain]

I had a friendly pop at Yid Vicious before because his username indicated he was happy to be associated with that word.

I was rewarded with a two week ban!

We didn't ban you, I should add. That was the QPR mods

The word I'm happy to be associated, anti-semitism I'm not.

 

[The RDBD]

"In Baddiel's World we should probably ban fans that "look a bit Jewish" from going to as they're surely going to encourage those racists too."

Yeah, the Chelsky version of the "German blood and honour" laws.
And given his apologism/denial of the fundamental facts, perhaps he should change his name to
David Irving Baddiel.

 

[Hoddle is a god]

I reckon, for the game against £ity, all attending Spurs fans should dress up in long black coats, fake long beards, and flat-top black hats, making themselves look as Jewish a possible. That'd confuse the **** out of the police. Would they dare to arrest anyone they suspect of being Jewish from chanting the word "Yid"?

Actually, soon, being "suspected of being Jewish" could well be a crime in itself. You mark my words.

 

[The RDBD]

Yes, the dressing as Frumers approach has been suggested before in order to
demonstrate the absurdity of the Spurs haters. What are plod going to do : ask
all such dressed to drop their pants etc ??

 

[bigsmithy9]

Amazing that the Jewish race has survived.What with the Egyptians,Romans,Nazis and the Muslims amongst others trying to eliminate them.
They need to be left in peace.

 

[vimhawk]

Amazing that the Jewish race has survived.What with the Egyptians,Romans,Nazis and the Muslims amongst others trying to eliminate them.
They need to be left in peace.

I know you didn't mean anything by it, but it's "religion" not "race". A rather important distinction!

 

[No Kane No Gain]

I know you didn't mean anything by it, but it's "religion" not "race". A rather important distinction!

Not really, it's both.

 

[Blue and White]

Only just picked up on this thread.

My thoughts on the subject I've posted before and won't repeat myself.

What is interesting now is that in Poland the authorities have come out and said fans can sing what they want inside a stadium as it is 'football related' even when the songs are clearly anti-Semitic. Words can be racist by understanding and therefore just singing 'we are not allowed to mention his name' etc. should be taken as racist.

Dressing up in Black garb etc is too stereotypical- all we need to do is wear skull caps. You can get them with our spurs logo on and that would be just like wearing a hat.

 

[humanbeingincroydon]

Only just picked up on this thread.

My thoughts on the subject I've posted before and won't repeat myself.

What is interesting now is that in Poland the authorities have come out and said fans can sing what they want inside a stadium as it is 'football related' even when the songs are clearly anti-Semitic. Words can be racist by understanding and therefore just singing 'we are not allowed to mention his name' etc. should be taken as racist.

Dressing up in Black garb etc is too stereotypical- all we need to do is wear skull caps. You can get them with our spurs logo on and that would be just like wearing a hat.

Didn't our firm back in the 70s wear skull caps?

 

[notsosmartspur]

Anyone remember Hendon Skull Cap from the beeb606, good poster, had some wild stories and a lust for Vanessa Feltz! They made him change his name after having it a couple of years, it was put in the list of offensive words that wouldn't submit like they do here.