I agree with your second point, should always have a plan A B & C and be versatile, it's why I said it's ok for an option, but not the only plan like it seemed under GJ in his last season Answer to your question, is partly confidence within the team.....performance overall is not good enough and so that affects most players.. NB. Harry Potter wand might be your solution, I try to be more professional!! NB 2.. You just can't help bringing up LJ & Holden......obsessed and won't help our cause now.
As somebody very famous once said “To love oneself is the beginning of a lifelong romance.” and boy do you love yourself. They are only stupid in your eyes because I have offered facts and stats and you have a feeling in your water. More professional? you are a hoot, I have presented facts and stats about 3 players and your professional riposte is 'a feeling in your water' about them, despite you dodging the fact that LJ, Holden and Pearson + a host of coaches have failed with them and you said that a decent manager/coach would get it out of them, admitting that LJ and Holden also failed with them. The joke is in the 2019/20 season Palmer after game 19 to game 41 when LJ was sacked only made 6 appearances, he only ever completed 90 minutes twice all season, 8 times he never even featured in the squad, even Holden left him out of the squad for his first 3 games. He was farmed out by Holden who couldn't wait to get rid of him to Swansea and had about 12 starts out of 23 games and never completed 90 minutes, I wonder why? Were LJ, Holden and Swansea's super coach Steve Cooper + their coaches not decent enough? or were they being professional?
OK, well it seems like you are saying that if we get rid of Palmer, Wells, O'Dowda and maybe a couple of other said crap and inconsistent players our intended progress will be met.....? Let's leave it there......I'm happy with the feelings in my water,,
You are funny. No what I am saying is the 3 of them have had more than enough chances and I am tired of waiting for something that they have failed to produce since their arrival and that is consistency in the job that enticed whoever signed them to part with hard earned cash in fees and wages and in ODowda's case a new greatly improved contract. LJ, Holden, Pearson and even Cooper all realised how little Palmer brings to the team, he has been described on here as a show pony and I agree, surely either they are all good judges or at worst one of them must be a 'decent' coach or maybe they need a professional to explain what they have all gotten wrong. I suspect that the weekly wage bill for the 3 of them must be touching 50/60k, invest in players who look like they care and will bust a gut and give us a plan B. Anyway on a point of order I did say the 3 I would let go (if possible in January) would be Wells, Palmer and Vyner, I would keep hold of ODowda and along with DaSilva and Bakinson but tell them they were playing for their BCFC careers and need to step up to the plate and quickly. And just for clarity, nothing would give me greater pleasure than coming on here and bowing, scraping and grovelling to you in the event that the miracle of Ashton Gate happens and all 3 of them end the season on an incredible high and prove you right, because first and foremost I am a lifelong BCFC fan, who has not enjoyed much of the past 2 years, to be honest I would accept just one of them becoming a consistent match winner, if it helps to turn our season around, but not not holding ones breath.
By way of an aside, I am reading a book about Harry Dolman and I have to say that it is brilliant, a perfect insight into the man and the chalk and cheese difference between him and our current owner. Dolman knew every single person at the club, he socialised with the manager and playing staff and was prepared to listen and act where needed when internal problems arose and he knew how to keep his star players happy. I know times are far different these days and the money involved would be far too extreme for him, but he was without doubt in business and football a great visionary.
I just think we see things differently, which is fine by me. It’s good to have different views.. I’m happy to believe mine are correct same way you think yours are.. Maybe I should log you in the LJ, DH & NP camp, whom are unable to see the potential of certain players and their abilities and would give up on what could be done with them.. I’m more of a person that would extract every option to make the most of what’s available. Using different tactics, formations, even positions, knowing I’ve squeezed everything possible.. especially if I’ve seen the ability in the first place.. which imo is the case with the likes of Palmer and O’Dowda oh and even Wells, while he’s still on the books.
Are you related to the captain of the Titanic? I am more of a person that knows where the place called enough is enough is, they have had more than enough chances since they arrived and so do I think has Vyner. The difference is that stats and performance facts are on my side, but at least progress has been made we all now know LJ, Holden and Pearson + the host of current and former coaches are not 'decent' coaches and not forgetting Steve Cooper and his coaching staff at Swansea.
For my pennyworth I'd be happy to see the back of Palmer, O'Dowda DaSilva, Bakinson AND Wells - BUT - only if they were replaced with better/cheaper replacements. Letting them go and not backfilling would be just plain suicide.
Just remember, DH & NP came in to progress us on to a different level from where LJ left us.. with basically what we had.. that was the objective..I’m still waiting for this amazing transition that was promised.. Blimey, first we have Harry Potter now the bloody titanic.. is it movie week by any chance? Thought I was on the wrong forum for a minute.. you really do need to get out more.. or switch over from the movie channels to the sport channels, you might learn something!!
And for the wait for progress, vent your spleen at the real villain our owner and maybe try to stop, having a go at people who never viewed LJ the same way that you did, the players created the enviroment that made SL sack him, not the fans, you having a go at the wrong people and maybe stop crediting LJ for everything good that happened whilst with us and blaming everybody else for the not so good stuff. He kept us in the championship for 4 seasons (for which I will be eternally grateful) and had a lot of backing one way or another to help achieve that. Once more the stats and facts point firmly to the start of 2020 as being the time when things started to go awry and they have been going further awry with every month since and our owner after appointing Holden (again the owner appointed Holden not the fans) allowed him 4 signings the one who cost money was injured, another walked away because his heart was never in it and the other are still with us and then this season another 4 signings, blame the man who is really too blame, you are expecting 3 players in particular to suddenly start playing consistently, something they have singularly failed to do since arriving, you then trapped yourself with your 'decent coach' quote. If we do not act in January and we go down it will be laid at the feet of the owner, not Holden, not Pearson and certainly not the fans. Here is exactly where we should be looking, Swift at Reading will soon be entering the last 6 months of his contract and with their upcoming points deduction, should happy to recoup something for him, maybe he is somebody out of reach but at least try, that is the calibre that we need, but I expect the barain basement is where we are headed and maybe even league 1.
Nah, I’m not having that.. I read and heard plenty of fans disgruntled of LJs efforts. Plenty from the red mist brigade who felt he could never do right from wrong.. no matter where or what we were doing as a club. I won’t deny, I believe he needed help, maybe a DOF to oversee the right players required. But I do believe that the advantage he had over what we have now was an affinity with the club he loved, a modern take on coaching along with modern tactics.. it is a fact (I know how you love facts) that he did turn us into a competing team in the 2nd tier that was failed by others in over 4 decades!! Funny isn’t it? all I see now are the measures set out just to survive and maintain our championship status rather than what was promised.. progress to at least playoffs or better still premiership football.. imo the process for his replacement was dreadful at best. Improvement…. None Progress .. .. none I think we’ve turned into the titanic!!
Oh yes, gonna take advice from you!! The fact you didn’t see Massengo as a decent player tells me all I need to know!! Think I’d prefer to have taken my chances on the titanic
There you go again blame the fans, the disgruntled fans were in a minority and in the end with no fans in the stadiums to actually call for his sacking, whatever way you try to spin this, his sacking was ultimately down to the players and our glorious owner pulled the trigger and all of the aftermath is down to the same man and a nucleus of the same players. Blame the right person not the fans. DOF? according to some he signed up for Ashton to be his DOF. Please confirm your first language is English? how many times or ways do you want me say that he kept us in the championship for 4 years and how grateful I am to him for that, but he could never maintain the good work of the first half of the season going into the 2nd half of the season in any of them. The measures that you see have their roots in January 2020, most fans can see that but you cannot see the iceberg, the stats and facts are their for even the most 'professional' fan to see. I will leave it to the majority on here to decide who is right and I don't think it will be you, Supcon and bloke who last time he went to Ashton Gate the balls had laces in them.
So the fans don't have any say or any voice apart from those in the stadiums Ahh ok, not sure your balls don't need laces! Have you heard of forums or social media?? Not sure LJ requested Ashton to be his DOF. Yes it is English.......oh and we have soooooo progressed in the 2nd half of last season.....oh and any of this season......comprendi You can leave all you like to the majority on here to decide who is right........doesn't make it right does it?? What you fail to understand from my point....is I don't have a problem with LJ being sacked for us to progress.....................but we haven't...... Which means, his replacement was not thought out, IMO became a kneejerk reaction,,,,,and why would that be do you think?
What you fail to understand is that the owner is totally to blame and not the fans for the sacking and subsequent decisions and aided and abetted by incredibly well paid players who have underperformed since their arrival, that a host of managers and coaches have failed to improve. BLAME THE OWNER, IT'S HIS FAULT.
There were also a section of fans that wanted him out right from the start, snowballing as seasons went on. If you didn't read, hear or see it, you need to get out the cupboard more............................it never went away..............................the red mist!! The owner probably thought he was doing the right thing by those fans...........
It never went away because it only existed in your mind, the majority supported him fully, right up to the end, you are basing your whole argument on 2 or 3 people on this forum, who never liked him from the beginning. I never once heard a Johnson out chant at Ashton Gate and that is usual acid test, I heard the odd boo after games but even Manu fans do that. Every manager in my 60 odd years has never been popular with everybody from the word go, you will get that at all clubs but always a minority, even Harry Dolman when he was chairman of BCFC had his detractors. It's the nature of football clubs.
