Whether or not you didn't realise it was a racial slur, which I don't believe for a second, your comment clearly shows prejudice against Polish people. Youve spent a week lecturing people on racial terms, ancient civilisations and discecting the minutiae of racism ... ... but here you are posting the inevitable multiple smokescreening smilies of someone trying to worm their way out of their own shameful comments. Congratulations ... you're a racist. "I do know of employers who would prefer to have Polaks and one guy who employs Filipinos by preference to the indigenous locals."
Its been an issue for some time over there and in the wake of global BLM protests I'd imagine its comedy gold. Someone earlier said they don't hear words like c**n an n_gg_r and I agree this is a good thing, meanwhile Australia has its own Superwog on the TV I'm not getting at Australians in this, I just find it interesting that the word 'wog' in Australia simply refers to an Italian and is in no way (-in the context of a rich Melbourne suburb) racist. Its like a language minefield at times and I'm certain there are loads of similar examples where the lines aren't even blurry, they're all over the place!
The wog thing over here is horrendous. It's incredibly causally thrown around, generally referring to the Lebanese community. It's used negatively when it's used and it is ****ing ugly. Decent people who wouldn't say boo to a goose throw it around like it is going out of fashion.
Originally it referred to Greeks and Italians. So much so that a hell of a lot of those communities actually refer to themselves as wogs and have made a damn good living out of it. A group of Greek comedians even made a TV series which went really well called Acropolis now followed up by a stage show, Wogs out of work. These same people used to refer to white australians as skippy's or skips.
Very much mutated in Melbourne now I feel. Still used to refer to Italians a bit but I generally here it about the Lebanese. I've seen the "wogboy" stuff. It's not my thing at all, I just find it beyond low brow and really tired humour. That's not an indictment on humour in rqce/cultural differences. I have the same complaint about "housos" which is just a class thing.
Agree with you on this. Just find it interesting that the entire concept for the shows were created by the same people that they're taking the piss out of. I guess what i'm trying to say is that a term/phrase is often considered racsist dependant upon who's saying it. How many times do we here in rap songs or in N*gger this, N*gger that? Based upon this it poses the question, if an african american is ok with another african american refering to him as a "N*gger" then why is it so bad if a non african american does the same? Isn't that a double standard? If someone is happy to refer to himself as a wog, then isn't it fair that others refer to him as a wog as well? I guess it's the same as using the term F*ck off. It can be deemed offensve or it can be used as a form of disbelief.
@Shameless if there's one thing I learned debating with smug over the last 9 months, it's that there is no point debating something if the other person refuses to engage in good faith and constantly tries to squirm like an eel to avoid answering the questions you ask, while desperately clawing for something they feel plays to the crowd based on their pre-conceived notions. That's why I bowed out yesterday, he's decided that the fault is mostly with black people themselves. They commit more crimes, they don't want to be police officers, they are given the same business rates as other people so aren't disadvantaged in any way and they are just as racist as anyone else. Forget that this stems from things like the institutional racism of the met, which has caused huge damage to the relationship between black communities and the police. Forget that black people are today more likely to be victims of police violence than their white counterparts when being arrested, forget that young black offenders are hoovered up by the met and sent to young offenders institutes - which ferment criminals - and now make up 50% of those in young offenders homes. Forget the hundreds of years of racism that black people have faced from fellow citizens, that all went away when it was criminalised. Forget that starting a business and running it is something that is harder from a position of poverty, which is more likely for black people than any other race. And forget that when black people marched to say 'this is unfair' and 'we should do something positive for people who are victims of this systemic racism, to try and make them equal with their white counterparts', he decided this is racist. Forget that people always ask what initiatives the black community is engaging in to tackle problems of it's own accord, as soon as a young black man says 'shop in black owned businesses' and doesn't even mention white businesses, he takes it entirely as a negative. There is no point arguing with people who refuse to accept the context of black peoples' experiences for the last few centuries. So I'll just leave this debate with just some of the more egregious things that have happened to Durham university students of different ethnic backgrounds recently: That's what racism is and why people march. It is rife in our society and if you think it's confined to people abusing black students in Durham, and isn't also in effect when black people interact with companies, institutions and many white people around the UK, you're in denial that racism is a huge part of the experience black people have in the UK.
Your 'issues' always control you, rather than you controlling your 'issues'. Until you learn to take control you will never be taken seriously. Wise up!!
Sorry KM but you've obviously never been the recipient of it from the other side. We were living in New Zealand and my mum went to work as she did every day. After getting off the bus and whilst walking towards the bank that she worked at 6 Maoris blocked her path and said "get off the pakeha bitch and walk on the road where you belong". Now try and tell me that racism is only one way. In relation to your post, I'm sure i could find as many comments that offebded white people.
It’s been noted that you refused to call a racist, a racist You also have form for avoiding questions. It sounded good, though
No one is saying that white people are not singled out for their race and just because we can illustrate that black people do this to us too doesn't prove anything. What happened to the members of your family sounds disgraceful anything similar, including the racist experiences of Durham students is simply horrible
It would be a matter of some relief if we could stick with the topic of racism ,,, and not attack each other for our perceived notions they have 'issues' could we please not attack one another on a personal level?
The whole "reclaiming the term" thing is horseshit. It just keeps it relevant and absolutely gives people subconscious permission to use it. I'd wipe terms like that for everyone to be honest. That seems the fair way to go which would cause the least offence. But I don't even get to decide what I eat for dinner so I don't see my opinion mattering too much.
Which is the whole point that some of us have been trying to make all along. Rascism is not a one way street. Blacks, Hispanics, Asians and other minorities are just as rascist as whites. The big difference is it doesn't make the news and the "I feel offended on anothers behalf" crowd jump on the bandwagon. Let's break it down simply. What happened to George Floyd was a tragic accident but that's all, an accident. We all see the footage where he is saying he can't breathe but what none of us have seen is any footage taken prior to that. George Floyd was a serial criminal who according to his sister was trying to turn his life around. Yeah right. You argue that years of systemic rascism is the reason why the BLM is offended. George Floys was a career criminal of 42 years of age with a history of violent assaults to his name. Reports say that he was high on drugs. Who's to say that he'd used the "i can't breathe" earlier and when released had attacked the cops? not saying it happened but if it had would you being the cop let him go? Generally police know who they're arresting and get their priors from dispatch befor approaching the suspect so in his case they would have been very cautious. If they didn't have the time to get the priors then he was obviously doing something wrong that required immediate intervention. 40 police officers were killed by guns last year in the USA. A 13% ethnicity of the population commits 37% of the violent crimes in the USA. If you were a cop how would you approach the situation?
Because that is at the heart of this debate that started off here misquoting Gone With The Wind and discussing statues It would be really good if people din't feel the need to discuss this or protest about it at all and if you want to make a case that black people are sometimes @rseholes and tw@ts too then I'm OK with that
Can I, therefore, ask you why you, seemingly, wish to drag the thread 'off topic' by replying to someone pointing out that a poster has mental issues? What that has to do with 'racism' escapes me!
