Match Day Thread QPR vs Reading

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Oh and another problem I see ...leader on the field.

I do not think the team like Cameron. His (pro-Trump) views are rather contary to the feelings of many of our black players.
I wonder if there is a bit of a dressing room revolt about our captain.

I would play Ball every week instead of Cameron (it was Ball yesterday who was leading the prematch exercises)...but how can you do this to your club captain...

So maybe Warburtons first mistake was making Cameron ( and not Ball or Barbet) captain
 
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qprbeth said:
Oh and another problem I see ...leader on the field.

I do not think the team like Cameron. His (pro-Trump) views are rather contary to the feelings of many of our black players.
I wonder if there is a bit of a dressing room revolt about our captain.

I would play Ball every week instead of Cameron (it was Ball yesterday who was leading the prematch exercises)...but how can you do this to your club captain...

So maybe Warburtons first mistake was making Cameron ( and not Ball or Barbet) captain
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Agree with much you write Beth, but not on Cameron the player. He was excellent along with Carroll for 60/70 minutes yesterday protection the back 4, prompting attacks with some very good passing, before tiring. Think he's way better than Ball usually. A younger more mobile version of him is what we need, along with a striker who can find the onion bag.
 
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Agree with much you write Beth, but not on Cameron the player. He was excellent along with Carroll for 60/70 minutes yesterday protection the back 4, prompting attacks with some very good passing, before tiring. Think he's way better than Ball usually. A younger more mobile version of him is what we need, along with a striker who can find the onion bag.
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As critical as I've been of Cameron, I agree with this.
 
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I was not so much criticising him as a player...although I probably would play Ball over Cameron..
More as club captain, and a player to motivate our player on the pitch.

The team would have run through a brick wall for Clint Hill or Derry.

Half the team at least are ignoring Cameron..
 
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Things is Clint and Shaun were leaders who would do the same things and run through the wall. That's why the other would follow.. I am hoping, that when Uncle Albert is 100% fit he could become that leader. Playing for the club you love.
 
stick said:
We are a very good "footballing" side but we are prone to sloppiness at the back and lack a cutting edge in the final third. Dykes is decent but we dont play to his strengths and sadly Bonne is not good enough for this division (Charlton fans told us as much when we signed him). BOS will almost certainly depart in the window and for a paltry sum as 500k is better than nowt! Chair and Willock are nice footballers and continue to improve. I am verging on being positive about Carroll but I still think he can be too predictable. Ball has been much better this season and for me should start ahead of Cameron. Dieng is a revelation, as a lot of us predicted, how nice to have a keeper we can trust. The back four really has to be yesterdays starting four, Dickie and Barbet are getting an understanding at last and Kakay and Nico give us energy and pace out wide. They still need experience and this league is tough, we still make too many mistakes with our marking and shape but it is improving. I always feel we are going to give a goal away at set pieces and never think we can score from one.
The worrying aspect is that beyond this we are very ordinary. Love Albert as he is one of us but Christ he is 33 today! Thomas, Wallace, Kane and Masterson are all not good enough and add nothing when they come on. The one I would love to see getting a chance is Kelman, he has looked quite bright in the minor cameos he has been given, surely better than Bonne!
I do think Warbs is tactically out-thought by most managers at this level but we have to remember that he doesnt have a huge amount to work with. Life is only going to get harder for him after BOS departs for peanuts.
We also need to catch a break. A couple of times in the first half yesterday they bodies in the way and the ball could have gone anywhere but flew to safely. When we do that it usually ends up a goal against. We were the better team against Reading, we were the better team against Bristol City and for the first 40 mins we were the better against Brentford. To finish those three games with zero points is very hard to swallow.
We will be the better team against Stoke, lets hope for a bit of good fortune.
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Strongly agree about being better for large swathes of the games you mention BUT consistency and goal scoring required for us to be safe before even considering progressing to top six. Def not this season. Maybe next but more likely the one after that. I'm at a loss to know if MW is the man to take us there.
 
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BOS will almost certainly depart in the window and for a paltry sum as 500k is better than nowt!
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On this, happy to be corrected on this, but I think that because he's only 22 and we have offered him a new contract he can't just leave without his new club paying some compensation. If we can't agree a negotiated valuation with that club, it goes to an independent arbitration process where clubs can give evidence to justify their valuation. This is where having the £4m+ bid from the Belgian club helps our case significantly. Happy to stand corrected on this, but I'm optimistic we'll still get a decent amount [a few million - obviously still annoyingly low] for BOS even if he leaves without signing a contract.
 
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On this, happy to be corrected on this, but I think that because he's only 22 and we have offered him a new contract he can't just leave without his new club paying some compensation. If we can't agree a negotiated valuation with that club, it goes to an independent arbitration process where clubs can give evidence to justify their valuation. This is where having the £4m+ bid from the Belgian club helps our case significantly. Happy to stand corrected on this, but I'm optimistic we'll still get a decent amount [a few million - obviously still annoyingly low] for BOS even if he leaves without signing a contract.
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Seen this mentioned in some press articles before but despite a number of attempts I have been unable to find the actual facts regarding this situation. It would be good to know for sure and I hope you are correct.
So many articles I have read contradict this by saying he is free to leave in the summer.
 
stick said:
Seen this mentioned in some press articles before but despite a number of attempts I have been unable to find the actual facts regarding this situation. It would be good to know for sure and I hope you are correct.
So many articles I have read contradict this by saying he is free to leave in the summer.
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He is free to leave, but won't be free to buy :)

Will try and dig out a link as I'm sure I read a good explainer on this ages ago.

Edit - here you go: https://fullcontactlaw.co.uk/2016/11/compensation-players-24-mystery/

It's a little out of date but I assume most of the detail is still correct. Some useful examples although none that are great comparators for BOS. Ings went to Liverpool for £6.5m at the end of his contract with £1.5m in add ons and a 20% sell on clause, so Burnley probably got £10m from him even though he went on a 'free'.
 
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stick said:
Seen this mentioned in some press articles before but despite a number of attempts I have been unable to find the actual facts regarding this situation. It would be good to know for sure and I hope you are correct.
So many articles I have read contradict this by saying he is free to leave in the summer.
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Thought he could go abroad for nowt, signing a pre-contract contract from Jan, hence the Rangers and Celtic interest (who count as foreign). If he can play them off against each other he’s looking at a seven figure sign-on.
 
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Thought he could go abroad for nowt, signing a pre-contract contract from Jan, hence the Rangers and Celtic interest (who count as foreign). If he can play them off against each other he’s looking at a seven figure sign-on.
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In which case we would probably try to get a fee from one of those two in January
 
Quite Possibly Raving said:
On this, happy to be corrected on this, but I think that because he's only 22 and we have offered him a new contract he can't just leave without his new club paying some compensation. If we can't agree a negotiated valuation with that club, it goes to an independent arbitration process where clubs can give evidence to justify their valuation. This is where having the £4m+ bid from the Belgian club helps our case significantly. Happy to stand corrected on this, but I'm optimistic we'll still get a decent amount [a few million - obviously still annoyingly low] for BOS even if he leaves without signing a contract.
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Hope you are right on that one Raving!
 
Long story short as i see it having seen half of our matches this season. We have a medicore playing material in our team and a very medicore manager . So, we have a very medicore team who is playing quite well 50-60 minutes and then like conference team for rest of the 30-40 minutes....Plus side is, that we have better goalkeeper than last season. Im predicting hard times ahead. Do anybody knows when this financial ban is over?
 
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I think the problem with Warburton and the coaching team can be summed up in Dickie's performances.

The fact that he is REPEATEDLY grabbing players (almost always unnecessary, when the opposing player still has work to do), getting yellows, giving away penalties, etc., shows that the players are not being coached and drilled on the essential and basic things. That REALLY should not be happening, especially as avoiding relegation is on the cards. It's unthinkable. He either should be being coached or shouldn't be playing if he refuses to learn.

But the fact that it's happening repeatedly means that Warburton is complacent or doesn't know how to resolve it.

There are a number of other examples about the basic and essential coaching being missing. Defenders switching off, not knowing how to handle set pieces, being broken down by the same moves without learning in a single match. And plenty of other players are grabbing opposition players without real reason.

One thing that really irks me is the fact that we are still too afraid of trying to make key passes: we just pass backwards. We don't try to find a telling pass. Too scared to give the ball away. And whenever a winger or someone else gets a chance to pass into the box, no one seems to have bothered to get in the box because they almost expect nothing to happen.

These are all things that quite frankly makes the coaching staff look amateur, and thus makes us look amateur on the pitch.

I don't care that we are looking really handsome for periods in games. **** that. I want to first see us looking solid and basic.
 
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