Since you ask, I stumbled upon the Spurs board and found the delight that is HIAG, you have taken it to another level, you may just become my favourite poster. For a fan who has tasted no success (I assume you are not old enough to remember your solitary League Cup - thanks Wikipedia) to call Liverpool's trophy haul over the last 20 years that has included (many in multiples) the Champions League, EUFA Cup, FA Cup, League Cup, Super Cup, hell its easier for me just to say 'every trophy but a Premier League trophy' as, and I quote 'Mickey Mouse achievements and all their crappy little pots and pans' is just ludicrous, every English club bar 3 would do everything they could for those pots and pans. I commend you for not running off and supporting Chelsea or the like, and have not a single bit of animosity towards your club, but to sprout such rubbish negates any argument you have. Your views would come across a lot more balanced and reasoned if you didn't include such tripe. For the record, Rafa in his early management career did have experience in relegation, but he turned to study (not something 'Arry I cannot read or write' can claim) and then on to bigger and better things. There is a reason why Rafa has been chased by the biggest teams in football in his career as oppose to 'Arry who is constantly chased by relegation fodder (including his 'biggest' job Spurs) even his mates couldn't get him his dream job.
OP is an idiot: Rafa in 31 Years - 2 La Liga's (not with big two either) - UEFA Cup - Champions League - FA Cup - Super Cup - Charity Shield - Italian Cup - Club World Cup - Don Balon' Award (Best Coach) - UEFA Manager of the Year twice - Also nearly another Champs League and Carling Cup, two points off the League. Win Ratio of 52% Harry Redknapp in 26 Years - Division Three winner - Johnstons Paint Trophy - Intertoto Cup - Championship Winner - FA Cup - Premier League Manager of the Year Once Win Ratio 48% Summary - Redknapp is flavour of the month and Rafa isn't. But one is a good manager but a one trick pony. The other is a proven winner at the highest level in different Leagues and different clubs. Redknapp better than Rafa? Only if you're an absolute moron which the OP is
I think you've shut them up with that. Rafa's points tallies: 58, 82, 68, 76, 86, 63 Harry at Sluds: 51, 70, 62, 69
(1) Why thank you. (2) Well that's the thing you see. Calling yourself a huge Club whilst having never won the League in its current format is just plain sillyness. (3) Not the big 4. And isn't that where you Liverpool fans for some bizarre reason still see yourselves? (4) Now THAT's some funny sh*t! Listen, this is where the problem lies when it comes to Liverpool FC and particularly its supporters. Its not the trophy haul that people have a problem with. In fact, for any mid-size and big Clubs, that would indeed be an impressive amount of silverware. The point though is that for a Super / huge Club like the big 4, its NOT!! I would salute your achievements if you had a sense of belonging, you know, "knowing your place" as it were. If you admitted to being a big Club like Newcastle, Tottenham, Everton etc then I'd be very respectful of your achievements over the last couple of decades. But the problem is, you all continue to assert that you're one of the top Clubs in the Country when clearly you're not and haven't been for a long long time and it grates on peoples nerves to be honest with you. For God's sake, you have players on your team that weren't even an itch in their Daddies pants when Liverpool last won the league. You have NEVER won the Premier League and its been around for over two decades!! All we ask is that you show a little humility and turn it in. You are a good, big Club and are certainly in with a shout of a Europa League spot and there's no reason why you can't have another FA Cup run like last season. But save us from all the Phil Thompson "we're still one of the big boys" rubbish. Its past tedious now.
The world is officially upside down We've been trying to tell you we're not one of the big boys and haven't been for ages. There has been a sizeable gap in the cost of squads between Liverpool and those above us for ages and the previous owners did their best to destroy the club by selling more than they bought. It got so bad that Spurs (and Harry) could put out a squad costing tens upon tens of millions more pounds than us. Yet our manager was so good his achievements dwarfed Harry's. And then you start banging on about history of us being the big money mega club. Those days are decades gone. Get in the present please.
Forget about spending power just for a minute because I just want to put this to bed once and for all. Will you admit that as a Club, you are no longer one of the huge Clubs or "Big Four" as they've come to be known? Will you admit that you're in the next category with the likes of Spurs and Newkie? If you do that then maximum respect for your honesty.
agreed completely Hicks and Gillet knocked us back to the stone ages. We almost went under paying the interest on their debt and stripping the side of all its depth. However, I do think over the long term we have better earning potential to get back ahead of the clubs we now call peers. But the near term reality is we've been knocked down hard.
Well in that case Sir, I apologize unreservedly for coming across like a prick. I was just winding people up a bit to be honest! I respect your honesty mate and if you stick with your Manager and have patience, it won't be long before you're back at the top table again. Personally, I think you're going about it the right way.
I think you got the right manager in Harry. You've got the players to be on much better off points and Harry is famous for the lift he gives sides on arrival. However I'd be cautious about keeping him longer term, he's equally infamous for the crash after the initial boost.
Agree totally. They've given him a two and a half year deal though so it looks like we'll be stuck wiv him. Still, if he manages to keep us up I'd be more than happy.
You would be hard pressed to find a 'proper' Liverpool fan that considers us be a top 4 club these days. We are still immensely proud of our history and our success (which does include a trophy last year, Mickey Mouse or not) and no amount of bleating by opposing fans will be able to convince us to be otherwise, but we do believe that one day we can get back to those heights. We do however realise what position we are in, you only need to go to Anfield to realise that there is a great deal of apprehension before every game (which could explain our home form). Under Rafa we came 2nd and its very possible that we could have won the league that year, but you will find very few Liverpool fans that will criticise him for not winning the league. The interesting thing is, opposing fans seem to joyfully mock him for not achieving that, kind of looks like they are ones that consider Liverpool the 'big team' that should be winning the league, 'next year will be our year' and all that.
Great post there too, Elvis. You're a refreshingly honest pair of lads. I was just on the wind up, having a go at yis. Of course you're still a massive Club and will always be so. If you stick with Rodgers i think you'll get back up there soon.
I don't rate either but Benitez is by far the better manager. Tactically Redknapp hasn't got a clue but he's a far better man-manager.
I must admit that scousers fans go through periods of lucidity. And there are a few of those fans who have long periods of those. But if you look at the scousers board, you cannot escape the notion that they still think they are moving among the elite four or five clubs in the country. Yes, they may have top 4 wage bills in the prem, yes they have spent more than most clubs in the transfer of players in the three years, but that does not make them a big club, apart from appearing like morons throwing away money on donkeys . They have to accept that they are at BEST a mid table club, far far away from top four (despite what deluded Carragher has said)
Don't get me wrong, I still believe top 4 is our aim for the next couple of seasons but yes I can name 4 teams who are in healthier position for various reasons. To call us a midtable team at best is the usual petty Utd fan viewpoint. In my opinion (and its only my opinion) the standard of the league over the last few years has gone down hill. Yes you would put your bank on Utd and City being top 2 but below that things get shaky. Arsenal are consistent top 4 finishers but they look far from certainties currently (as the last few seasons, luckily for them no-one has been able to capitalise). Chelsea have some great players and it wasn't that long ago that they won the league, but disruptions have set them back and they look hell bent on setting themselves back after every high point. Spurs benefitted from sticking with a manager, keeping their squad together, and adding to it each season but have now gone and destroyed all that. That's the truth, take out the top 2 teams and there is very little difference between the 'chasing pack'
What has this rant got to do with who the better manager is? Take your frustration on how we see our own club elsewhere. The responce Theoretically if Liverpool FC has been no "bigger" (lets suppose you mean better) than spurs's for the past decade; then by logic we just need to compare each managers point total for each year. (from a previous post) Rafa's points tallies: 58, 82, 68, 76, 86, 63 Harry at Spurs: 51, 70, 62, 69 The point tallies themselves should reflect the managers pure ability, this is if you are indeed correct about the clubs being about equal during the past decade. By your own logic Rafa is better....
Who said anything about the last decade? Why are some Liverpool fans always living in the past? How about the last four or five years as I think that's a more reasonable time-frame for the "current" status of Clubs. You know, it can take a couple of years to build a good team but not TEN!
