What I'm saying is that a court would not look favorably on a party defending legal proceedings (The Football League) that seeks to take the sanction (ie relegating QPR as claimant to the Conference League) before the court has made a ruling on the central issue in the proceedings (the challenge to FFP). It may be that the club could get injunctive relief to restrain the Football League until judgement, or at least, have the court hearing expedited so that trial takes place before the last date for the League to make the decision on relegation. This, then, is the open position. Behind the scenes, there'd be a great deal of negotiating.
And to think our next game is against Man Utd who are in debt of over £1B and will have new talent on show against us making their debut that cost over £100M in addition to the other £100M;s also starting and sitting on the bench. Where exactly is fair play? Are they being fined?
Isn't this bloke at the football league publicly participating in extortion? Surely we should consider prosecuting him if we are relegated. Unless he withdraws this threat
This will be challenged in the courts by many more clubs than just us, as it is all complete bollocks and more than likely illegal
I'll file this next to Shaun Custis's article stating that an FA insider has told him that we are going to be deducted 15 points.
They say you should take a positive out of every negative .................. Conference League? At least SWP would feel at home and make many friends.
Good post, I see where you're coming from on this. But the issue here surely wouldn't be delaying relegation beyond the last feasible date as we aren't talking relegation here but expulsion from the entire Football League which could take place during an already started season with the club wound up quite possibly. Quite why in that case it would be "only" to the Conference and mid season to boot I don't understand, surely it would be to the very bottom rung necessitating a total reboot AFC Wimbledon style. It won't happen. It can't can it?
Combined Counties League Premier Division to Isthmian League Division One to Isthmian League Premier Division to Conference South to Conference Premier to League 2 to League 1 to Championship to Premier League to Champions League. In only 10 years we could be playing the likes of Barcelona
Can anyone tell me if other clubs were mentioned? In the meantime, the following is not known & can't be until the accounts are issued:- 1) Have we failed FFP? 2) If we have failed, how much is the loss & how much is the fine? 3) Where does the speculation come from that we would not pay any fine that is issued? 4) How many other clubs would have failed FFP & also have to pay fines or risk being excluded from The Football League? I would suggest that other candiates would be Leicester, Forest, Reading, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton & with the possibility of Leeds, Middlesbrough, Ipswich, Watford & maybe Doncaster. If we did refuse to pay any fine (either issued or imposed after legal judgement) then we would rightly face not being allowed to play in The Football League. That is provided that this was imposed on other clubs that have failed.
1) Not yet 2) BBC site explains it: "-Championship clubs were permitted losses of £8m (£5m funded by shareholders) in 2013-14 - Clubs promoted back to the Premier League who exceeded those losses are subject to a fine. -There is a sliding scale on the next £10m of losses, with a maximum fine of £6.681m. -Once losses exceed £18m, the fine is imposed on a strict pound-for-pound basis. - Should there be an overall loss of £30m, the fine would be almost £19m. If it was £50m, the figure would be nearly £39m" 3)Tony Fernandes 25th May 2014, " "Will we fight the fine? What do you think? After all we've been through, it's my middle name - 'Fight It' Fernandes. "My view has been consistent, that it is very unfair for a club that has been relegated as the wage difference between the Premier League and Championship is impossible. There should be a time period for clubs to rectify their salaries. "If we were in the Championship in two years with that wage bill it wouldn't be right. I'm in favour of FFP but it is unfair for a club coming down." 4) Don't know- but Bolton have £164m of debt and they wont face fines because the rules are so weird Man City were fined and accepted it but under separate rules and not by the football league As for the bit in bold - you say if refusing to pay fine "issued or imposed"- Explain to me why an owner such as TF isn't within his right when being issued with a fine potentially for tens of millions of pounds that he isn't entitled to challenge whether that is legally justifiable? If/when we are fined we will take it to the court and lose then we can cross that bridge when we come to it- BUT you need the fine to happen first and then a court case before we can talk about anything else. The reason they are throwing around silly threat's like they have is because the football league know it wont stand up in court
Iâm sure we do now. Maybe we can call them sanity clauses? What was going on? Well rent-a-quote Foghorn Leghorn was going strong a year and a half ago: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21896636 I really hope this ainât going to any court. Less than 5 weeks later it was: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...oo-trusting-in-his-dealings-with-players.html I really hope this isnât going to any court. Then over the summer we signed up to the Football League whose rules include FFP. Now weâve decided we actually donât like FFP anyway .Us. â Tony Fight It Fernandes Fernades does have a ring about it no? So in 14 months he went from; A) FFP not being a problem to B) FFP may be a problem to C) Signing up to a competition where FFP compliance was specified to D) Deciding he didnât like FFP anyway and weâll see you in court. Ya boo sucks. This is nothing to be proud of. âOi culdnât âelp noticinguh oi appear to be considerably richer dan yow. â What have we become? WTF is going on? As sure as Teflon Toneâs your motherâs brother if this was any other club but ours weâd all be on here shaking our collective heads and tutting censoriously about how a club shouldnât be run this way. Bottom line? No forward thinking beyond burying Rangersâ fans beneath a relentless barrage of spin and cheap PR to front a land development grab with no guarantee of anything at the end of it. Sorry Iâm not on-message.
Ipswich fan in peace. I'm as interested in this story as you lot are. I really do wonder what the Football League are going to do with respects to actually enforcing FFP. The whole thing is a bit of farce, trying to take into account parachute payments and all that, as well as the fact that the Premier League and the FA are two separate bodies trying to enforce rules on clubs who no longer fall under their jurisdiction. The difference between your case and some of the others that may come up is that you got promoted so will face a fine if found to be guilty. Clubs who are still under the FA umbrella will only be hit with transfer embargoes.
I think the point is there was not enough time given to allow for any new player contracts to contain relegation clauses. The principal behind FFP is sound but it doesn't appear to be being applied very even-handedly does it??
I did not say that we should or could not fight against any fine imposed. I stated that if a court had ruled that we were liable (imposed), then IF WE DID NOT PAY we would have no defence against being disallowed membership of The Football League. I repeat that TF has never said that we would not pay. Fighting against any sanction is different to not accepting any penalty imposed by arbitration etc. & I'm sure that if we reached that stage we would pay any fine. Personally, I will be very surprised if our losses are anywhere near as much as the previous year. Accountancy practices would have been followed that allowed us to inflate the previous loss to reduce last season's. IF we don't have accountant's that are creative enough we would have failed as a business!
The theory - QPR commence proceedings against the Football League challenging the validity of FFP, a case like that could ordinarily take a couple of years to come to trial (before appeals) - it all goes t*ts up on the pitch and we are facing relegation by May 2015 - The Football League is threatening not to allow us back into the League for 2015/16 - a court would probably expedite the trial and hopefully, on QPR's application, would order that the FL be restrained from taking punitive action against QPR until the main issue is adjudicated upon. In practice - the FL are just trying to put the frighteners on the club before negotiations. Next week, may be they'll threaten Tony Fernandes with deportation as an undesirable alien!
Same story all over the Times today as well. I'd guess we'll settle to pay some much smaller undisclosed amount over a number of years.
The Football League have promised to uphold Financial Fair Play restrictions to the strongest degree. #454438268 / gettyimages.com Queens Park Rangers published a loss of £65.4 million in May 2013, and it is these accounts that will be used to determine whether punishment will be given to the London club. Having secured promotion to the Premier League, a transfer embargo is out of the question, although a fine of upwards of £50 million is likely to be imposed upon owner Tony Fernandes, and the Football League intends to see every penny of that fine paid. Chief Executive Shaun Harvey revealed to Sky Sports that upholding FFP restrictions is of the utmost importance, even if the clubs punished feel that the restrictions are unfair. He said: “He [Fernandes] is entitled to feel they are unfair, if that is what he generally believes, but they are the regulations brought in by all the clubs at the particular time, and if he is going to fight them - he’s going to fight them. "That would be his right. “It is not necessarily one I would support, and that’s why we will have to defend our rules robustly. “I think defending the rules robustly is actually of paramount importance to the actual integrity of the Football League as a whole.” SEE ALSO: Which Premier League club were the highest summer earners? Fernandes vowed to approach the summer transfer window in a different manner to that used in previous seasons, with the club focusing upon only signing the right players for the club - at the right value. However, the club still signed seven players, and, although their wage budget was reduced with the departure of high-earners Loic Remy, Julio Cesar and Yossi Benayoun, they are still likely to be heavily restricted by FFP - with this seasons accounts not used to determine expenditure. The view of the Football League will be welcome news to the followers of a number of clubs, with their desire to implement punishment when due a strong indication that they are focused upon the longevity and health of not just their competition - but the clubs involved. so the best way to get a team to not overspend ie try to get out of the football league is to make them pay a fine will the fine not count in the following years figures meaning another fine...probably even bigger
