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aberdude said:
well done wibbler, if I gave you a book would just read the first two pages and make up the rest of the other pages because of laziness........well you've done that exact thing in making an assumption on a vid I just posted about icke by past media jibes....
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Nope, watched most of it. The first two minutes were diatribe, the rest unsubstantiated supposition. The staple of conspiracy theorists, with no evidence supplied which can be examined and debunked.


As for your other comments, you really don't know who Rhys Jones was, do you? Unless you think the murder of an 11 yr old was "in revenge for what was happening 2 fellow muslims around the world"...
 
im a bugger for names tbh but I put the name down 2 it being the soldier killed outside some barracks>>>>>right now ive looked at the name the first one that came up was the liitle everton lad>>>nightmare for all concerned no doubt and something I wouldn't like 2 have 2 deal with personally and thank 2 a phone it over came actual eye witness evidence, im not sure why I would want 2 stop people using whatever they could 2 make a case water tight and cameras are one thing that does this well.


I think your missing the point here wibbler if you listen 2 what the government want 2 do it doesn't stop anything happening it just clears up the evidence after the event.

do you think if they(the government) invested the money in poor parts of Liverpool instead of wasting money on arms(war) that a case like rhys` may not have happened in the first place......just an idea like like.......all we have now is one dead kid and another spending the rest of his youth and young adult years behind bars getting some right great information from his fellow in mates no doubt.

also wibbler everything can be debunked dude, that's why we have 2 sides in a court case,but its up 2 you 2make your mind up which one makes more sense.
 
The point about the Rhys Jones murder was that evidence from phone records, something many want to remain "private" was crucial in destroying the case presented by his murderers. Such "privacy infringing" information showed the murderers were present at the scene of the murder; given their family members gave false alibis, preverted the course of justice such "privacy concerns" could well have prevented a conviction, or made it far more difficult. Tin foil hat wearers seem to believe people are magically reading every bit of dross posted on social media; simple thought shows that's garbage, because there's zero to be gained from irrelevant rubbish like Slapper X on twitter stating she's dolling up to bag a footballer...

People can always decide what makes more sense. I'm struggling to think of a single scenario where "shape shifting lizards" makes the most sense. The point being, most conspiracy theorists peddle *elements* of truth. Mixed in is supposition with no supporting evidence that can be critically analysed; hence applying a far dfferent standard to their own claims.
 
very well done in this case but it didn't stop the killing did it and the fact that locals didn't give answers when they clearly witnessed it has gotta make you wonder how far from human dignity these people have gone since having nothing 2 live for in any positive form ......I may need my tin foil hat on for this conspiracy hey I`ll go and make one now....I also make up a list 2 see if you ticked all the correct boxes of names 2 use for someone that thinks and speaks openly of what theyre ideas are on what they think is right>>>>>>>look at this, could you imagine never hearing a story like we have since birth about a woman impregnated by an alien from heaven and then being told he was here 2 save our souls from evil, greed and gluttony........im sure you`d think I was mad yeah...........trouble is this story previously and currently is a best seller and it has a lot of followers...........even tho its a bad mad ass idea yeah.
 
you trust in people who could have shut down a vast *****phile ring at the top of society in 1983 with your data <good on ya>
 
I didn't realise we hadn't had a change of govt or personnel since 1983, no wonder things are ****ed...........

It's that attitude Aber that brands football fans as thugs, Muslims as terrorists, Irish as terrorists, South Africans racist etc, Politicians as ....... fill in the blank

Needless to add really that I'm a lot nearer Wibblers attitude toward shape shifting lizard theories.
 
Touchy subject. However it has always been there, and since the emergence of the internet communication is cheap, however it is not secure and is open to all and sundry to hack. Get rid of the internet and the problem is solved, this is never going to be done, therefore regulation of the internet is a must, however that would need the permission of Microsoft and Apple, which will imo never happen because the Americans have everything where they want it. I work with double encryption on my security systems, but that can be hacked, the same as your bank accounts. Terrorists etc are on a daily basis trying to hack accounts, and are successful. Google 'Mind reader in Brussels' and watch its about 2.30 minutes long. Scary stuff.
I cannot tell you where i have worked in the past as this site will probably be monitored, but i have worked in national security, not a pleasant job but necessary. Dont shoot the messenger. What i will say it is minorities that destroy the very fabric of world peace.
 
nothing to hide, nothing to fear!

i'm all for snooping for the purposes of anti terrorism, it will be needed in the near future when the asian brits come back from syria intent on blowing us up, especially as islamic extremism will not be going away, it will in fact become a bigger problem in the future….

as long as its used for crime prevention, i suspect the only people who really are against this are criminals, though i do understand that what starts off as snooping for that purpose can be extended by unscrupulous governments for other things which it should never be used for……...
 
If this board is anything to go by, it looks as if thoughtcrimes will be easier to sneak through on the statute than I had first anticipated. Airstrip One coming your way soon fellow proles.
 
stevo can you tell me any changes that have changed our lives since the blue the red and the liberal poodles have made office>>>>>>can you seriously tell me there is a vast difference in our wealth or health or safety since any of these party`s have been in power>>>>its getting worse each and every year brother and if you cant see it then keep on voting for the sake of it................can I put it this way for you(not trying 2 offend dude)>>>>say if you didn't like apples but they were afford 2 you in different colours would it change the way you think about the taste of an apple....politics at present are the same as apples dude all offering the same thing but in a different disguise...................im not surprised your with wibbler on the shape shifting theory....I can say im also with u both at present but one thing u or I cannot deny is the fact that we do have a reptilian part of the brain that does stimulate the darker side of human beings>>>>>is it then a case of beyond the realms of possibility that we could have been born with tails and tits like other animals on this planet......ok the tail is not visible 2 the naked eye but its there yeah <ok>....and so is the reptilian brain <ale>



swamp im shocked because I thought you were coming around 2 everything is not all fine and dandy on this planet of ours>>>>>>>fk me they have you hook line and sinker dude....without sounding like im being a t**t this is exactly why they do this TERROR plot is 2 make you fear the bogey man, they then start 2 eat away at any liberties of freedoms we have at present...........can you tell me this swamp say if you lived in Israel and you saw footage of your old home country(wales) being blown 2 bits by a foreign invader(Israel) would you A) bury your head and say fk the welsh im ok with it or B)do you came home 2 wales 2 help your fellow country men and women fight against the oppression...............at present your opinion on isis members from Britain is purely the A.


you boys know your history if you ask me lol>who the fk are we 2 tell any nation or religion on how 2 treat fellow human beings>>>>>>>>>>>we have enslaved half the world for a time and I can tell thee it wasn't a bed of roses for them that dealt with our country`s forces over the years.......did you know we put I line of troops across Tasmania and started one end of the island and killed any one we saw on the way over 2 the other side of the island yeah we left not one person alive this is known as the cape grim massacre.....tbh I could go on and fking on about who and why they would dislike the English crown enough 2 take revenge or hold grudges.


I also like the one swamp about gadgets need be charged before your flight arrival........im sure if the bogey men are clever enough 2 put a device into something so small then im sure they be clever enough 2 put it in without effecting the workings of the chosen gadget......its a fking farce and they are using words common 2 gain control while you sleep walk excepting the arm wrapped around your shoulder and a whisper in your ear that you will be safe if you stick with me into another Nazi style war......


bob your right in your assumption>>>>tiz like shooting fish in a barrel for the government dude,I hope this saying will ring some alarm bells as 2 why I should use such a term.
 
ronnie its just a ride like some say..........sometimes people get off that ride and get bored like I have.......once your off you`ll never get a ticket 2 ride again.

my final post on this subject will be my old fav bill hicks its just ride......listen 2 it and think,then look at the present mess we have with our current system and tell me bill aint right <ale>

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Every individual case is different Aber, yes things have changed to affect my life. I recognise that the current govt have imo put difficult measures in place that have resulted in us having the fastest growing economy in Europe. They've been slated for the period we toughed out to get there but it's worked IMO. That effects anyone who has a job or business. If you're on benefits you need the people paying tax to pay your benefits. Footballers take a lot of stick for what they 'earn' whilst ignoring the fact pretty much half of it goes straight into HMRC's coffers.

The reptile brain issue is another that we are sooooooo far apart we just need to park and agree to disagree. Those still reading can make their own minds up as I think that's an idea that will polarise the opinions of most people.

Tell the families of the victims of 9/11 that terror plots are invented to increase fear of the bogey man.

If you come back with the classic stoner 9/11 conspiracy line then I'm flogging a dead horse and I'm genuinely sorry I ever replied.
 
aber, do you have anything to hide?

terrorism / islamic extremism is a very real threat, whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you though&#8230;&#8230;..
 
I got nothing 2hide swamp infact silly old me just wants his private stuff being just that fking private..........is there something you don't understand about wanting some private conversation..............would you be alarmed 2 know that ive been told there is an Islamic threat against the uk since 9/11 but silly old me again fails 2 see the muslims taking up arms against us and lets be honest there`s enough of em in the uk <ok>


the main threat 2 me from terrorism dude is that we give into it and shut ourselves behind closed doors hiding away eating watching tv then sleeping work and the same goes around day after day after day like the government would want............if that's the life u want mucker then go ahead but the next time you walk past a muslim remember that they didn't effect you one bit apart from standing out and looking different 2 our so called loveable christain or catholic culture......and we all know what they do 2 fellow human beings yeah.....your trust is blind and its as plain as the nose on your face 2 see.


stevo were have you been dude>>>>>havnt you looked into why they have a families for truth group....a fire fighters for truth engineers for truth professors calling for the American government 2 give a reason as 2 how gravity and its maths changed on the day of 9/11............do I have 2 do all your homework for you butty.......its all there look, at the 9//1 report and then look at the facts that come your way that don't tally up.


ha onto money......steve that's another loveable thing 2 own yeah>.....and please don't make me puke on how much football is wasting at the moment its a fking joke when people are struggling 2 put the heating on in theyre homes........<ok>


I wont go into the poll tax and bedroom tax revelations steve.........I`ll pay mine when the queen pays for the bedrooms she got.........did you know that if you own a small holding you could claim a payment from our taxes...its about 40pound an acre.....could you imagine how much the queen takes from our taxes on the land she owns brother.........tbh it would make you sick 2 know most of the top earners and business in this country pay almost nowt in taxes>>>>>how about you steve... I bet your at least paying a quarter of your wages if not then your doing not 2 bad but know how 2 pull a few strings 2 get some monies payed out back from the tax man.......its goes much further when your on the big bucks you just put into into the bank of England and they put it into an offshore account so it disappears from our purse.


remember Iceland>>>>>no not Kerry catona one...the country that started the so called financial meltdown....well they since had a peaceful revolution and changed the banking system we currently use>>>>>in the way we work Iceland would have taken decades 2 pay back the imf know they will be clear in a matter of years....free from the monetary system that tried 2 take everything from the common working man/women..
 
swamp do me a favour chuck your bank details up for everyone 2 see>>>>in fact chuck all your details on yuh if you don't want privacy.
 
I did say I`d leave bill say the last words for me didn't I <laugh>

I`ll try again then im done>>>><laugh>....

[video=youtube;fDTaO3QCJ8A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fDTaO3QCJ8A[/video]
 
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a recognition of the reptilian part of our brain is the first stage of understanding our bodies dude well done for that>>>>but did you do some research or did you just take my word for it>>>>>>>>>>the medical world has recognized it and named it so it seems not so out there as it first appeared

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain
 
Sorry, is that wiki link supposed to be evidence the medical world has recognised it?

That is my final one on this, maybe <laugh>
 
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