No it's not, you were arguing that the club shouldn't put the club name on it's season pass renewal form, which is ridiculous. For a logo to become internationally recognised, it's used in conjunction with a name, so the two become synonymous. You've used MacDonalds as an example, a company who've spent billions annually promoting their 'golden arches' device, yet they still write MacDonalds over the door of every restaurant. If you google 'tigers head logo', you get hundreds of tigers head logos, but you have to scroll through several pages to find a Hull City badge and that's on Google UK, in the markets we're allegedly chasing, it won't appear at all for most(ironically, the Leicester Tigers logo does appear). Even if you google 'tigers logo' ours doesn't come up in the first page and when it does, the first version of our badge that appears is this... please log in to view this image I don't actually mind the club using the tigers head logo on it's own on the shirts, if it wasn't for all the baggage it carried with it, I'd think it was quite cool. I'd certainly prefer that to the use of 'Hull City Tigers' on the badge, which I believe was the original plan. My big issue, is the clubs insistence on not using the club's correct name anywhere, it's like it's become a swear word that must be avoided at all cost. My season pass renewal form stated that my pass would get me into 'all Hull City Tigers league, cup and friendly games' and that I'd get a 'complimentary copy of all Hull City Tigers programmes'. The club were told that they couldn't change the name, but they've done so regardless and that really pisses me off.
ive said it plenty , im not that impressed with our logo as a brand icon - as my clubs badge i dont mind it at all but in the brand recognition arena i think its way too busy and uninspiring. I also dont like those partial city/town coat of arms interbred with a football motif - but back to City , we are the Tigers and personally i'd prefer to see it simplified as a logo IF the sole objection is brand recognition -
The name-change is wrong in itself (in my opinion), but wrong in practice due to the lies and deceit that promote it. Good luck with the boy, I hope all goes very well for you all! You might be disappointed on who he supports; moving around has left me with 3 kids, a Hull City supporter, a Liverpool supporter and a Newcastle supporter; 3 grandkids all are Sunderland supporters (born in Sunderland area) and another on the way in August, all being well! The key thing is they are all avid England supporters, something can unify us all at times! It wasn't a broken name and identity that was used to win promotion and a place a an FACF. This ^^^ is it. The badge and the name-change cannot be separated when the club are using them together to ignore the FA ruling and the overwhelming wishes of the support - despite the lies, deceit and blackmail the club decides to use against their customer base.
Fez, why call it the FACF? I don't know anyone at all that calls it that. Why can't you use the correct and approved name issued by the FA?
The club were told that they couldn't change the name, but they've done so regardless and that really pisses me off. I was under the impression they were told they couldn't change the playing name, although I may be wrong
As you can't can't tell the difference between where our company name should be used and where our playing name should be used, you may well be.
It's an Internet message/forum board where abbreviated conversational text is acceptable, as long as it's understandable; which, clearly it was. It also prevents Chazz from getting on my back about being too long-winded. Getting bored, are you, Happy? By the way, that was a pathetic response you made earlier; get a grip, lad.
As an American I am probably more used to this type of change. Its very common that teams re-brand themselves every 10 years or so. My hockey team the Washington Capitals did this in 2009 maybe? The teams colors changed and the logo changed and the shield changed (badge basically its on the chest of the jersey). Anyway its a really common thing, forces everyone to go buy new team apparel. It also allows long term fans to distinguish themselves by wearing retro jerseys. To me this actually could be a way a successful way to increase revenue. I dont recommend we start playing in Red or anything, but some acceptable change that doesn't diminish the clubs history does have possibility to bring money in. I dont know if the badge would be enough of a significant change to actually make people go buy new kits but I have no problem with them thinking about it or even changing the badge. We have after all had more than one badge during our history. If it was up to me, I would make the new badge one of the older badges for a number of years. That would be a way for the Allams to show that they did not want to forget who we were.
We already have one of the top 5 nicknames in English football. Ww already have one of the shortest games in English football, which is often shortened to Hull - Surely the shortest in the country. We already have one of the very best club badges in English football. Let's stop kidding ourselves as to what the real problem is.....
Your response implies I am pro name change. I am not, Im a CTWD member myself. I am not sure what a badge has to do with a nickname nor I am sure what the length of our club name has to do with a badge. You can change a badge without changing the nickname, club name or even removing it from the badge. Yes the Allams have been really stubborn over the name change issue that they created. They also have poured a ton of money into the club. So lets not be so stubborn ourselves to only see the negatives and not also look at the positives. There is nothing wrong with them exploring options. Remember that we have lost between 7-11 million this last season. That is on top of all the debt the club has. Everyone wants them to go out and buy a bunch more players and improve the club. There is a good chance that we have even more debt this season than last. How long do we all think that the Allams can reasonably asked to poor money into the club. There is nothing wrong with them exploring options to increase revenue. I think most of us can agree that those options need to respect the clubs history and that there are certain things that should be off limits. For me the clubs name, colors, and nickname should be off limits other people can have more or less. Its also idiotic to read something someone posts and then go off on some sort of tangent about the clubs name or nickname and the Allams when we are talking about a badge.
I don't. This club has sailed near to financial oblivion too many times, we dpn't want or need more ludicrous debt (to the current owners remember, not to other parties....) charged at 5%. The badge to the current owners is merely another bargaining chip in their sly campaign to erase our current identity and name in favour of one which they believe will spite their landlords and differentiate us from the local Council. They are constantly tinkering with signage, domain names, Faecebook pages, season ticket application forms, business names etc as they seek to push back the boundaries of what people will accept. This shames our club and the supporters.
The simple way to sell more replica shirts is to follow Newcastles example. Flood every High Street with them and sell them cheaper then anyone else's. NUFC sold their's for £10. They sold in their thousands and captured the market in Newcastle and the surrounding area. Liverpool shirts must be cheap around here because they are everywhere, every chav has one, and don't tell me they pay £50/60 a go for them.
There's a lot of Spaniards in Hull these days, even though they're the 3rd best team in Spain, Barcelona have plenty of shirts on the street. I wish I knew where the Hull Barca bus leaves for their home games...I'd get on it for cheap travel to Catalunya.
If you do not want us to go and get new players than I can understand why you do not want increased revenue to pay for them. I assume then that you want a financially stable club, which means that we need to decrease our player costs up to 11 million for next season. That means selling most of our players and being relegated, then attempting to stabilize our payroll again in whatever league that our revenue can sustain. That is a perfectly acceptable attitude to take. Its logical and rational. I would like us to improve the squad. I agree that I do not want us to be a QPR. I also like you wish that we would have budget that was break even. I do think it is important to be financially stable. Since I want improvement I have to agree that we need to look for new revenue. The difference isnt the financial position that the two of us want it is the path to that position that a difference occurs. Our owners have attempted to do lots of things under the radar to push the boundaries on the clubs name. The facebook page, website, renewal notices, the clubs official twitter tags etc. Some of it is clearly a spat with the council I agree. I also though have to agree with them that if I was losing 7-11 million a year I would also be looking at ways to end that loss. So some of it is clearly a spat with the council but some of it has to be a desire to stop losing boatloads of cash. I agree with you that doing things on the sly does tarnish the club. They should keep their promise to consult the fans on the new badge. Doing things in the open with the fans input is certainly a way to make changes that do not tarnish the club or disrespect the fans. This is where their stubbornness comes into play, this "look at my cv" nonsense pisses most of us off. If you really do not want us to change anything about the club at all and want the Allams out then ok I can understand that.
Which serious businessman would want his club to be so heavily in debt? Unless of course, there are other factors at play.....
I have no idea. Need Ricardo to come on and write up something about our financial position again. Where has our accountant been lately anyway?
The more we are in debt, the more we owe him. He's increasing our debt to him on our behalf. I'm not all that bothered who runs our club, as long as they're very competent, very honest, preferably loaded, and most importantly, not a ****.
