So now we're making assertions on what AO'B "would" have done after the ICS. My goodness you have have some well placed sources. One could argue Gosden was in effect schooling in public. Both horses obviously have chances.
Quartermoon, I've always rated Gosden very highly and normally he speaks good sense. However, his 'qualifications' about Nathaniel before yesterday's race leave me a bit aghast. The race had prize money of over £400K and , if a horse is not 'spot on' for that, then why run him? The notion that yesterday's race was not the horse's target- implying he's just giving him an outing and thinking he might win or might not- is, let's face it, a bit of a joke. All the top trainers in history never made excuses for their horses "before they ran" - or after, for that matter, and most of them could get them spot on without a run.
Quartermoon you talk absolute bollocks of the highest order. You are just anti coolmore and it is as simple as that. As for Gosden going on about Nathaniel he said exactly the same stuff before he won the eclipse. I suggest if you want to talk rubbish in the future you do it in a way where you joke on rather than stating it like it is a fact when it is clearly bullshit. You come across as very smug as well and that is over a racing forum so god knows what you are like in a real debate
Not sure if it would have qualified as “schooling in public”, but that is a perfectly fair point. Fair enough, I did make an assumption about what O’Brien would have said based on previous history. Tamerlo, I agree it does seem inconceivable that anybody would run a horse in such a race as a “warm up” but he did warn punters that the horse was not fully wound up – hence the bookies being quite happy to lay him. Rainbowview, I read the article in Saturday morning’s Racing Post, so my information is clearly as bad as the interviewer received. So there was nothing “joking” about the opinion that I offered – it was based on the available facts (as reported). Everybody on here seems to think that I am “ante Coolmore” so I let that repeated accusation wash over because this is a public forum and most of the public are incapable of thought. Going back to the original topic of this thread, I think that Danedream is the one to beat in this year’s Arc as she has proven at the highest level that she is a top quality filly with her victories across Europe this season.
Only three weeks to go! I have always taken the view that, win or lose, Camelot would not run in The Arc so followed my annual 'scattergun' approach to this race and the Cheltenham Gold Cup. Although I have, to date, backed two certain non runners my wagers include: Danedream - e/w at 14/1 Orfevre - e/w at 16/1 Nathaniel - e/w at 25/1 and 20/1 Snow Fairy - e/w at 20/1 and 16/1 I have also backed a few outsiders as long as they were pre-entered in The Arc - Kesampour at 50/1 and Galikova at 33/1 (both e/w). Looking forward to tomorrow's trials unfortunately no firms are offering a price on the three year old Geman filly, Salominia.
Wise man - Danedream is a clear favourite for the Arc in my opinion. It will take a very good one to stop her. Salominia definitely worth an e/w in the Vermeille
Can't see past Danedream for the Arc SNA is an interesting outsider as a fun bet for me. I know you will all laugh but that is just because I like the horse. I know he doesn't have the form to win
What was the name of that Pricewise suggestion at big odds for the Arc? Can't find the comment on any of the threads at the mo. Apparantly he liked the breeding. Think it was a Fabre-trained horse?
Agree that Danedream is looking better and better for this. Too much cut might swing it in Nathaniel's favour and I'm with RV would love SNA to win but cannae see it.
I can't get the girls out of my head here. Danedream and Snow Fairy look pretty impressive to me. The boys seem to bit a bit and miss.
[video=youtube;IQsQ3x0WmCI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQsQ3x0WmCI[/video] This was over 10f- surely a mile and half ought to suit, and perhaps a slightly better pace? Really well made filly, plenty about her and looks like I'd want a Galileo filly to look.
A couple of interesting interviews with Andre Fabre on the Sporting Life website today - in one he doubts that Meandre will be able to turn round the form with Orfevre in the Arc, and in the other he states that Last Train will not run in the Arc, whilst at the same time talking up the Niel winner Saonois - "When he won the Prix du Jockey Club, he showed he had a fantastic turn of foot but people did not believe it. It is a tribute to the Jockey Club which everybody said was a bad race this year. The winner is a very good horse"
I think we must take account of Fabre's views about Saonois. What price would a Jockey Club/Niel winner be if he was trained by Fabre/de Royer Dupre/Rouget? Although Niel was slowest of the trials I feel Saonois' closing kick was the most impressive. Even current price of 10/1 is interesting. Will be interesting to note who 'Pricewise' picks in his column in tomorrow's Racing Post. As all the preparatory races have taken place this will likely be the final market shake up! I cannot help but feel that the Pricewise horse will be Snow Fairy (despite doubts). Shareta or Saonois.
http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/465/8086681/canada-favourite-for-moon-trip The four-year-old was an impressive winner of the Hardwicke Stakes at Royal Ascot but could fare no better than fifth, albeit beaten just over two lengths, behind Danedream in the King George VI And Queen Elizabeth Stakes. Instead, connections are looking at heading to North America and the Canadian International at Woodbine on October 14. "With Sea Moon we are looking towards a trip to Canada for the Canadian International," said Teddy Grimthorpe, owner Khalid Abdullah's racing manager. "If it were to come up pretty soft in Paris for the Arc then we would consider that, but at the moment we are favouring Canada. "He's been perfectly fine since the King George."
Have put my money on last years second Shareta. Won very impressively over the weekend- Owned by the Aga Khan who knows how to win this race and they are all very bullish about this horses chances and how much she has improved since last year and at 10/1 is a cracking e/w price
If a 3yold does win the Arc this year, it'll be Saonois imo. As Bayernkenny says above, what price would the horse be if trained by Andre Fabre? If it's an older horse, and I think it will be as the 3yold crop south of La Manche doesn't look that much better than our own, then I'd fancy Nathaniel to turn around recent form with Snow Fairy and Danedream. One day soon though, the Japanese will win the Arc, that's a certainty. Orfevre looks like their best chance yet, and can't be ruled out. 1. Nathaniel 2. Orfevre 3. Saonois
I presume you are referring to the English Channel AR and not the Department in Basse-Normandie (which is where I live). Don't think it makes any difference btw.
