These were the initial entries, just to bare in mind. Horse * Weight Rating Priorité Owner Trainer Purse Rcl 1 byword gb m.ps. 5 ans P2 59,5 *** KHALID ABDULLAH A. FABRE 573.851 2 redwood gb m.ps. 5 ans P2 59,5 *** KHALID ABDULLAH BW. HILLS 1.589.224 3 workforce gb m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** KHALID ABDULLAH SIR MR. STOUTE 3.253.917 4 behkabad m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** S.A. AGA KHAN JC. ROUGET (S) 985.403 5 afsare gb m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** CHEIK MOHAMMED OBAID AL MAKTOUM LM. CUMANI 63.319 6 lancelot m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** CHEIK ABDULLAH BIN KHALIFA AL T F. HEAD (S) 115.345 7 so you think nz m.ps. 5 ans P2 59,5 *** D.SMITH/MME J.MAGNIER/M.TABOR AP. O'BRIEN 2.350.274 8 st nicholas abbey ire m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** D.SMITH/MME J.MAGNIER/M.TABOR AP. O'BRIEN 52.948 9 diamond boy m.ps. 5 ans P2 59,5 *** MME BERNARD DESTREMAU F. DOUMEN (S) 104.500 10 planteur (ire) m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** ECURIE WILDENSTEIN E. LELLOUCHE 887.357 11 dandino gb m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** ELITE RACING CLUB JG. GIVEN 157.185 12 scalo gb m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** GESTUT ITTLINGEN A. WOHLER 280.600 13 flamingo fantasy ger m.ps. 6 ans P2 59,5 *** GESTUT PARK WIEDINGEN S. SMRCZEK 8.000 14 calvados blues m.ps. 5 ans P2 59,5 *** GODOLPHIN M. AL ZAROONI 508.818 15 campanologist usa m.ps. 6 ans P2 59,5 *** GODOLPHIN S. BIN SUROOR 389.336 16 cavalryman gb m.ps. 5 ans P2 59,5 *** GODOLPHIN S. BIN SUROOR 208.531 17 cutlass bay uae m.ps. 5 ans P2 59,5 *** GODOLPHIN S. BIN SUROOR 293.020 18 debussy ire m.ps. 5 ans P2 59,5 *** GODOLPHIN M. AL ZAROONI 559.725 19 mastery gb m.ps. 5 ans P2 59,5 *** GODOLPHIN S. BIN SUROOR 945.754 20 monterosso gb m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** GODOLPHIN M. AL ZAROONI 1.040.040 21 passion for gold usa m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** GODOLPHIN S. BIN SUROOR 22.219 22 prince bishop ire m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** GODOLPHIN S. BIN SUROOR 149.336 23 rewilding gb m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** GODOLPHIN M. AL ZAROONI 2.565.160 24 simon de montfort ire m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** GODOLPHIN M. AL ZAROONI 121.384 25 silver pond m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** HARAS DU QUESNAY C. LAFFON-PARIAS 124.200 26 cape blanco ire m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** HAY/SMITH/MAGNIER/TABOR AP. O'BRIEN 1.889.022 27 fame and glory gb m.ps. 5 ans P2 59,5 *** HAY/SMITH/MAGNIER/TABOR AP. O'BRIEN 567.601 28 eishin flash jpn m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** TOYOMITSU HIRAI H. FUJIWARA 2.722.874 29 hiruno d'amour jpn m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** MASAFUMI HIRUKAWA M. KON 2.979.471 30 nakayama festa jpn m.ps. 5 ans P2 59,5 *** SHINICHI IZUMI Y. NINOMIYA 2.137.578 31 tip toe m.ps. 4 ans P1 59,5 450 WILLIAM JEFFCOCK F. DOUMEN (S) 41.000 32 OUT OF EDEN (GB) M.PS. 4 ans 59,5 *** KSK NURBEK A. SHAVUYEV 1.624 33 TALGADO GB M.PS. 4 ans 59,5 *** LIDER RACING STABLE F. NEUBERG 46.811 34 jan vermeer ire m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** M.TABOR/D.SMITH/MME J.MAGNIER AP. O'BRIEN 317.758 35 beat black jpn m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** KOJI MAEDA H. NAKAMURA 962.803 36 earnestly jpn m.ps. 6 ans P2 59,5 *** KOJI MAEDA S. SASAKI 1.673.561 37 await the dawn usa m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** MICHAEL TABOR/MME JOHN MAGNIE AP. O'BRIEN 83.360 38 viscount nelson usa m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** MME J. MAGNIER/MME D. NAGLE AP. O'BRIEN 147.597 39 zack hall m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 495 MATHIEU OFFENSTADT M. DELZANGLES 87.700 40 celtic celeb ire m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 515 HENRI DE PRACOMTAL F. DOUMEN (S) 209.100 41 arctic cosmos usa m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** RACHEL HOOD/ROBIN GEFFEN J. GOSDEN 375.270 42 royal bench ire m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** R.C. STRAUSS R. COLLET (S) 655.440 43 wiener walzer ger m.ps. 5 ans P2 59,5 *** BARON GEORG VON ULLMANN A. FABRE 81.205 44 zazou ger m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** WH SPORT INTERNATIONAL MAR. HOFER 222.770 45 no risk at all m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** SUC. DANIEL WILDENSTEIN JP. GALLORINI (S) 43.500 46 victoire pisa jpn m.ps. 4 ans P2 59,5 *** Y. ICHIKAWA/T. YOSHIDA K. SUMII 8.655.254 47 liang kay ger m.ps. 6 ans P2 59,5 *** MME INA E. ZIMMERMANN A.DE ROYER DUPRE 37.000 48 announce gb f.ps. 4 ans P2 58 *** KHALID ABDULLAH A. FABRE 148.100 49 midday gb f.ps. 5 ans P2 58 *** KHALID ABDULLAH HRA. CECIL 875.787 50 sarafina f.ps. 4 ans P2 58 *** S.A. AGA KHAN A.DE ROYER DUPRE 1.251.855 51 snow fairy ire f.ps. 4 ans P2 58 *** ANAMOINE LTD EAL. DUNLOP 2.337.274 52 lily of the valley f.ps. 4 ans P2 58 *** BERNARD BARSI JC. ROUGET (S) 300.470 53 antara ger f.ps. 5 ans P2 58 *** GODOLPHIN S. BIN SUROOR 190.445 54 sajjhaa gb f.ps. 4 ans P2 58 *** GODOLPHIN S. BIN SUROOR 97.130 55 night magic ger f.ps. 5 ans P2 58 *** STALL SALZBURG W. FIGGE 276.770 56 myplacelater gb f.ps. 4 ans P2 58 *** A.J. THOMPSON DRC. ELSWORTH 86.104 57 SEA MOON GB M.PS. 3 ans 56 *** KHALID ABDULLAH SIR MR. STOUTE 4.787 58 slumber gb m.ps. 3 ans P1 56 *** KHALID ABDULLAH BW. HILLS 27.972 59 WORLD DOMINATION USA M.PS. 3 ans 56 *** KHALID ABDULLAH HRA. CECIL 15.377 60 baraan m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 520 H.H. AGA KHAN JC. ROUGET (S) 53.400 61 dildar (ire) m.ps. 3 ans P1 56 460 H.H. AGA KHAN A.DE ROYER DUPRE 37.200 62 vadamar m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 490 H.H. AGA KHAN A.DE ROYER DUPRE 58.150 63 CHIEF OF STAFF GB M.PS. 3 ans 56 *** CHEIK MOHAMMED AL MAKTOUM A. FABRE 27.400 64 MANHAJ GB M.PS. 3 ans 56 *** HAMDAN AL MAKTOUM J. HAMMOND (S) 26.500 65 MANJAKANI GB M.PS. 3 ans 56 *** CHEIK MOHAMMED AL MAKTOUM A. FABRE 12.500 66 yaseer ire m.ps. 3 ans P1 56 *** HAMDAN AL MAKTOUM MP. TREGONING 13.483 67 plushenko ire m.ps. 3 ans P1 56 *** ALLEVAMENTO LA NUOVA SBARRA L. RICCARDI 17.102 68 carlton house usa m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 *** S.M.R. D' ANGLETERRE SIR MR. STOUTE 105.183 69 native khan m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 *** V.I. ARACI EAL. DUNLOP 165.733 70 BEAULIEU (IRE) M.PS. 3 ans 56 *** GERARD AUGUSTIN-NORMAND E. LIBAUD (S) 36.600 71 SAINT DESIR (GB) M.PS. 3 ans 56 480 GERARD AUGUSTIN-NORMAND E. LELLOUCHE 29.000 72 MOHAWK CHANT (GB) M.PS. 3 ans 56 *** MUTEB BIN ABDULLAH A. FABRE 2.400 73 APACHE IRE M.PS. 3 ans 56 *** D.SMITH/MME J.MAGNIER/M.TABOR AP. O'BRIEN 14.170 74 treasure beach gb m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 *** D.SMITH/MME J.MAGNIER/M.TABOR AP. O'BRIEN 87.304 75 prairie star m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 515 ECURIE WILDENSTEIN E. LELLOUCHE 194.475 76 SANO DI PIETRO (GB) M.PS. 3 ans 56 *** ECURIE WILDENSTEIN A.DE ROYER DUPRE 20.400 77 casamento ire m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 *** GODOLPHIN M. AL ZAROONI 270.843 78 dubai prince ire m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 *** GODOLPHIN M. AL ZAROONI 39.940 79 french navy gb m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 *** GODOLPHIN M. AL ZAROONI 76.150 80 genius beast usa m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 *** GODOLPHIN M. AL ZAROONI 52.168 81 laajooj ire m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 *** GODOLPHIN M. AL ZAROONI 28.546 82 ocean war gb m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 *** GODOLPHIN M. AL ZAROONI 31.646 83 saamidd gb m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 *** GODOLPHIN S. BIN SUROOR 86.168 84 nakayama knight jpn m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 *** SHINICHI IZUMI Y. NINOMIYA 886.684 85 MR CHANCE M.PS. 3 ans 56 *** GERARD LABOUREAU D. SMAGA 12.000 86 regent street (ire) m.ps. 3 ans P1 56 *** M.TABOR/D.SMITH/MME J.MAGNIER AP. O'BRIEN 28.315 87 seville ger m.ps. 3 ans P1 56 *** M.TABOR/D.SMITH/MME J.MAGNIER AP. O'BRIEN 111.514 88 master of hounds usa m.ps. 3 ans P1 56 *** MME SUSAN MAGNIER AP. O'BRIEN 389.939 89 pour moi ire m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 510 MME S. MAGNIER/D. SMITH/M. TA A. FABRE 103.100 90 QUEST FOR PEACE IRE M.PS. 3 ans 56 *** MME SUSAN MAGNIER AP. O'BRIEN 13.250 91 recital m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 *** MAGNIER/TABOR/SMITH/MORDUKHOV AP. O'BRIEN 236.199 92 roderic o'connor ire m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 *** MAGNIER/TABOR/SMITH/SANGSTER AP. O'BRIEN 423.067 93 touz price m.ps. 3 ans P1 56 *** JURE MARDESIC JM. LEFEBVRE (S) 42.650 94 GIANT STEP IRE M.PS. 3 ans 56 *** MME JOHN MAGNIER/MICHAEL TABO D. WACHMAN 6.900 95 MARKSMANSHIP IRE M.PS. 3 ans 56 *** MME MAGNIER/M.TABOR/D.SMITH AP. O'BRIEN 11.050 96 memphis tennessee ire m.ps. 3 ans P1 56 *** MME MAGNIER/M.TABOR/D.SMITH AP. O'BRIEN 25.480 97 maxios (gb) m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 470 FAMILLE NIARCHOS JE. PEASE 56.000 98 PLANET ELDER (GB) M.PS. 3 ans 56 *** FAMILLE NIARCHOS P. BARY (S) 12.000 99 lustre m.ps. 3 ans P1 56 *** AYMARD DE NICOLAY Y.DE NICOLAY 42.050 100 RELIABLE MAN (GB) M.PS. 3 ans 56 495 PRIDE RACING CLUB A.DE ROYER DUPRE 29.000 101 absolutly yes m.ps. 3 ans P2 56 475 PAUL SEBAG YM. PORZIER (S) 64.400 102 genzy m.ps. 3 ans P1 56 *** MICHAEL WATT JE. PEASE 37.350 103 INOUBLIABLE (GB) M.PS.+ 56 *** WERTHEIMER & FRERE A. FABRE 37.000
104 starformer usa f.ps. 3 ans P1 54,5 *** KHALID ABDULLAH MME C. HEAD-MAAREK 34.000 105 SHARETA (IRE) F.PS. 3 ans 54,5 *** S.A. AGA KHAN A.DE ROYER DUPRE 28.600 106 testosterone (ire) f.ps. 3 ans P1 54,5 *** ECURIE LA BOETIE P. BARY (S) 26.350 107 ANDROMEDA GALAXY F.PS. 3 ans 54,5 *** ECURIE WILDENSTEIN E. LELLOUCHE 18.800 108 golden lilac ire f.ps. 3 ans P2 54,5 *** GESTUT AMMERLAND A. FABRE 326.130 109 blue bunting usa f.ps. 3 ans P2 54,5 *** GODOLPHIN M. AL ZAROONI 269.450 110 khawlah ire f.ps. 3 ans P2 54,5 *** GODOLPHIN S. BIN SUROOR 1.021.979 111 white moonstone usa f.ps. 3 ans P2 54,5 *** GODOLPHIN S. BIN SUROOR 222.620 112 DALARUA (IRE) F.PS. 3 ans 54,5 *** HARAS DE LA PERELLE S. WATTEL 21.800 113 misty for me ire f.ps. 3 ans P2 54,5 *** M.TABOR/MME J.MAGNIER/D.SMITH AP. O'BRIEN 528.295 114 wonder of wonders usa f.ps. 3 ans P2 54,5 *** M.TABOR/MME J.MAGNIER/D.SMITH AP. O'BRIEN 31.040 115 galikova f.ps. 3 ans P2 54,5 *** WERTHEIMER & FRERE F. HEAD (S) 77.580 116 INSOUMISE (IRE) F.PS. 3 ans 54,5 WERTHEIMER & FRERE A. FABRE 117 pirika (ire) f.ps. 3 ans P1 54,5 *** TERUYA YOSHIDA A. FABRE 28.000 • Closing FORFAIT 1 Mardi 27 Septembre 2011 10h30 BOULOGNE FORFAIT 2 Mercredi 28 Septembre 2011 10h30 '' PARTANT PROBABLE Jeudi 29 Septembre 2011 10h30 '' ENGAGEMENT SUPPLEMENT. Jeudi 29 Septembre 2011 10h30 '' ANNULATION PART PROB Vendredi 30 Septembre 2011 10h30 '' MONTE Vendredi 30 Septembre 2011 10h30 ''
Thanks for the information QM. I might have to drop you a line if and when i get round to giving it a go. You seem to have a fair idea what you're on about. Any need for some French language? Or will English or a bit of 'Franglais' get you by?
I used to travel to Longchamp for the Arc from Edinburgh every year. I found the entrance charge and the draft beer fairly reasonable compared to British tracks. There used to be a 'quick' eatery built into the back of the grandstand where 'steakfrits' was inexpensive. Most of the staff on the PMU counters speak English. There is also a Tote Credit area about midway down the back of the main grandstand. I gave up going to the Arc because of the behaviour of some of our compatriots! Have started to visit Auteuil during early November for Week-end International de L'Obstacle. The Sunday is comparable with a day at the Cheltenham festival (three grade 1 races) and costs only 4 euros entrance. My tips for the Arc: Short price - Reliable Man - bet UK odds. Mid Price - Meandre - 16/1 with Coral! Long Odds - Danedream (once confirmed) - 33/1 with Ladbrokes.
bayernkenny is correct that most of the staff speak pretty good English as they are well used to the influx of English/Irish day trippers for the Arc. Tote Credit do not really have an ‘area’ anymore although there is a small office from which they operate if you happen to be one of their card-carrying customers. This used to be good for finding out the Newmarket results when the Cambridgeshire card was on Arc weekend Saturday (until this year). Auteuil is East South East of Longchamp on the Bois de Boulogne and has the considerable advantage of being a few yards from the Porte d’Auteuil metro station. There are no stations near Longchamp, on the West side of the park close to the Seine.
Doubt if my earlier post had such an effect but have just noticed that: Danedream cut to 25/1 with Ladbrokes. Meandre cut to 12/1 with Coral. Can't wait for first weekend in November!!
bayernkenny, you mention a couple of horses and the odds shorten. You arenât Pricewise operating under a pseudonym, are you?
QuarterMoon11 No, just a very strange coincidence! Still waiting to hear if Danedream will be supplemented. Cannot believe that race conditions allow a horse to be supplemented up to 29 September which is three days before the race. Earlier post asked about comparative costs between Arc and BC Filly and Mare Turf. BC website suggests Danedream is Breeders Cup nominated so we are looking at 100,000 Euros for Arc and 'zip' for Churchill Downs. With Midday possibly on the wane and, as far as I am aware, no great turf females in the USA the owners might play safe and stick to original plan.
I've taken some big prices today before everything begins to shorten, obviously at the risk of some (all?!) being non runners. VADAMAR at 90/1 Dubai Prince at 340/1 ST NICHOLAS ABBEY at 85/1 Sea Moon at 170/1 It just looks an open Arc and some of the French trials were all within a length or two of one an other as usual, meaning that some horses might be overpriced if running, SNA and Vadamar in particular. Obviously Sea Moon and Dubai Prince are unlikely, but Godolphin don't have any candidate as it stands and everything has gone a bit quiet on Sea Moon since the Leger, though Ryan Moore hinted Sea Moon was not expected to be going.
I doubt if any of them are running TC, the only one you could have a slim shout with would be Dubai Prince. Only because he is completely unexposed having only had 3 starts. winning well on each occasion. I still feel The Arc is unlikely as it's a very big ask for a horse with such little experience. Godolphin dont have a realistic contender, so you never know they might take a chance, but I'd still be spurised if they did
That is how supplementary entries work for all the Group races where they are allowed in France. It even works that way for the few races where the BHA allow supplementary entries here – it is at the last declaration stage or the overnight stage. I think that is as fair as they can be because they are expecting the owner to shell out a big fee so they should be allowed to wait as late as possible so they do not wind up paying a fortune three weeks before the race and then the horse stands on a stone on the gallops a week later. Whether the general principal of supplementary entries is fair to the other runners is another debate. For what it is worth, I do not think that Midday is “possibly on the wane”. She has just been raced against the colts this year several times and she still hasn’t managed to beat them. If she had gone for the Yorkshire Oaks rather than the Juddmonte International at York, she would probably have won. Looking at Danedream’s form, she has won against some dubious quality opposition by big margins on soft ground. She may not get such favourable conditions at Churchill Downs. If I had seen any of her races, I would probably be concluding that she is a plodder with feet like dinner plates capitalising on the fast horses getting stuck in the mud (apologies for sounding like a broken record).
Yeah they are all speculative Shergar, I just wanted to make sure I had some big prices covered, as a 'just-incase' type bet. If the Arc was tomorrow I would probably back Workforce.
Just spent 30 min hunting down film of Danedream in action. I have to say that on what I saw, she's hardly a plodder with feet like dinner plates. In the G1 Grosser Preis von Berlin, she came with a wet sail in the straight to easily win. I can't say what the state of the track was, but the sun was out that day and they didn't appear to be getting into the ground. I can see why they are thinking of paying the late fee. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqPPi1p4YtM
Cyc, I have found a write-up of the Grosser Preis von Berlin and I will assume that “gut” is German for “good” regarding the ground. I have no idea what the standard time at Hoppegarten would be but 2:33.50 looks very respectable. The runner-up Scalo won a moderate Group 2 race at Deauville in August; his Group 1 wins may all be at home or in Italy. In the English report on the race on Bloodhorse, the trainer is quoted as saying that Danedream holds an entry for the Breeders’ Cup Filly & Mare Turf. I don’t know how much extra they have to pay to confirm that entry but I would not back Danedream at fancy prices for the Arc until they actually splash the cash.
No me neither QM, I'm a So You Think fan. From what I gather the trainer of Danedream says the owners are giving serious consideration to the Arc run though.
There has been a bit of money for St Nicholas Abbey this morning. Oddschecker flagged it up as being shortened from 50's into 33/1 with old Skybet. Think its been said that if Sea Moon goes again this term then it is most likely to be in the Breeders Cup Turf and Dubai Prince is possibly heading to the Champion Stakes. I would imagine that the market will remain fairly static for the next week but will come alive again thereafter especially if anything is supplemented. As I've already said think Danedream the intriguing one but she's not a betting proposition until her entry status has been firmed up. Meanwhile, I can't bally believe how Betfair have prices up on horses now with Mr Henderson and Mr Nicholls and who are both being prepared for a NH career!
Hope so, I think St Nic deserves a chance in a big field on ground with some give- should be a fair pace to aim at and he does stay well IMO. Do you think Vadamar will run? I still think he's a gradually improving horse and if the cards fell right for him he can make the frame. Betfairs odds suggest he might not.
