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  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Woah. was there no ref in this game?

    I mean each on their own was a clear red card.
     
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  2. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    Amazing thing is after majority of those player just gets back up. No moaning to the ref etc
     
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  3. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    My mistake on the goal but the rest still stands, clear and obvious error/serious missed incident leading to a red card. Point being it was an incident that VAR should look at.
     
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  4. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    I see what you mean now. It seems like his addiction has led him to take more risks than just the betting itself by choosing the one sport he's not allowed to bet on. I'm glad that he's getting counselling and wish him good luck beating his addiction.
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I'm more amazed that not one decided to nail her nor punch her lights out.

    Like the ref clearly indulged her massively and missed everything so an utter incompetent.

    But if that was you or me getting tackled like that a team mate would fly in and destroy her
     
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  6. Solid Air 2

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    seriously you think that is a red not a yellow ?
     
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  7. Solid Air 2

    Solid Air 2 Well-Known Member

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    he did look at it supposedly .
    I'm amazed so many think that should be a red as i know i would be pissed off if one of ours got sent off for that .
     
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  8. johnsonsbaby

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    Personally I think it constitutes violent conduct. Hair pulls are uncommon so we don't have any similar incidents to compare punishments but in life in general, if someone pulled you to the ground by your hair, it's assault which translates to red not yellow, similar in my mind to grading other fouls (which away from football would be assault) either red or yellow. From a refereeing pov from what we see week in, week out, it could go either way which is why the VAR should have sent the ref to the screen.
     
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  9. saintanton

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    It's not about our opinion though is it?
    The real issue isn't whether or not it's a red, it's the fact that Dean admitted that he purposefully failed to do something that he knows he should have. It's irrelevant whether we think he should have done it - he himself did think so, and that's the salient point.
    It's that inaction that is questionable, and the reasons behind it, and it highlights the us v them mentality that exists between players and officials and further undermines any trust between them.
     
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  10. Solid Air 2

    Solid Air 2 Well-Known Member

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    if VAR send them to the screen for some reason they always seem to think that means change the decision . However I think that is what should happen more often with no prejudice indicated and in this sort of off the ball incident it makes even more sense
    Still think Dean was just chatting **** to boost his profile
     
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  11. johnsonsbaby

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    The expectation is always a change of mind because the VAR has seen something the onfield hasn't.

    I was looking at a couple of those videos that PGMOL released with the VAR audio. I can't remember which particular incident it was but VAR had sent the ref to the screen to take a look and as he's running over to the screen he's saying to the VAR "what will I see in the video?" and the reply details precisely what happened that the ref missed. Thinking about it, it was a foul on Havertz for a penalty which the ref had called. The VAR is saying to the ref "the defender (mentioning him by name) makes no contact. The ref looks at the screen, sees no contact and changes his penalty call.
     
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  12. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Not only that but it’s extremely dangerous. Unexpected pulling the hair back can easily cause damage to the neck and whiplash
     
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  13. Solid Air 2

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    in that case all challenging of a player in the air should be a red .
     
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  14. Zanjinho

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    That's because VAR are instructed to only get involved if it's a clear and obvious error. I'd prefer VAR to just over rule
     
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  15. Solid Air 2

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    disappear ?
     
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  16. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    Based on what?
     
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  17. Solid Air 2

    Solid Air 2 Well-Known Member

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    because it can cause damage to back / neck and is far more likely to do so than a hair pull
     
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  18. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    Now sure 2 players jumping to head the ball is the same as someone grabbing your hair and pulling it back unexpectedly making your neck whip back. But sure….
     
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  19. Solid Air 2

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    far more likely to cause serious injury than a hair pull .
     
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    It isn't the same. One is an inherent risk of the game, and the other is a deliberate foul.
    It would be like saying a deliberate studs-up challenge on the man is not a foul because injuries can happen in a tackle at any time.
     
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