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  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I see the post blood cup baiting has begun in the media.

    There were several jokey articles in the run up to the England France blood match on the daily.mash but the second England lose they all run away from it like scalded cats.
    Nearly no jokes about kanes penalty knocking nasa's latest rocket out of orbit even.

    However now the tears have receded there is space for future speculation and so there seems to be an intent on Southgate side to ascertain the level of support he has by toying with not continuing in the media.

    All the usual suspects are out having their say about how awesome a guy he is.

    Meanwhile others report Southgate has already patted several unneeded players on the head telling them thry might get a game in the future.to keep them onside and not saying they can't wait to see the back of him.

    Then there's the articles about how tough and unfortunate it was to sign you don't know what you are doing at him when he got England relegated from thr league a nations league.

    So all angles covered int his.media blitz to ensure Southgate gets the support for is ongoing waste of English talent.

    3 tournaments running he's lost at the first big hurdle but let's ignore that


    He'll I've even seen folk out out stats on Spain, Germany and italy about how they all lost every knockout game since they last won the world cup... funnily enough no stat about them all sacking managers.
     
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  2. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    I caught a title on a YouTube video - didn't watch it so have no idea what it's really saying - something about Richard Keys saying Carragher is borderline racist for wanting an English manager if/when Southgate gets the shove.

    I'd say that's racist in itself by Keys because it assumes all Englishmen are white.
     
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  3. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    Carra put out a tweet saying should be English.
    Lots of trolls on Twitter then called him racist (totally ignoring the fact that he didn’t mention race once, if he’d said should be white then sure).

    the irony is that sky sports did a poll online and 57% of people also agreed should be English.
     
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  4. Zanjinho

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    Probably more to do with you coming across as constantly attacking the club tbf mate
     
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  5. Zanjinho

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    TBF, there shouldn't be.
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I can only presume carragher is a little englander like most media and poll responders.

    They have singularly failed to put up a candidate however Hodgson, allardyce and then Southgate have been managers since the eriksen/capella era.

    England wasted the talent under the foreign managers then had a real lack of talent coming through but at this point Southgate is singularly wasting talent by focusing on not losing rather how to win.

    If we run through the rather short list of candidates.

    Potter (not great so far at chelsea)
    Howe ( won't last long at newcastle)
    Lampard (dear god)
    Gerrard (even more dear god)
    Cooper? Ffs

    It's not like there's anyone any more qualified for these folk to put up to be the great English hope

    In this context where foreign = bad then Southgate looks a genius.

    The reality is England need new ideas now to get the most out of the players. Saka is picked to defend not attack, despite him being brilliant. Foden wasn't picked til sterling was not available really.. why? Sterling is so far out of form but can be relied on to defend.
    Bellingham picked cos Phillips is out.

    Walked and trippier picked never ever trent.

    The list of Southgate caution goes on amd on.

    I'll be honest, the role requires total commitment to arrive at a 23 man squad at a tournament where you use all 23 men to get through 7 games in a short time. All 23 are important, you have to be able to balance them to attack more or defend more or change what the system is as players fall away. Southgate is ultra cautious but still couldn't do a Morocco and just not concede.

    I dont know that pochettino or tuchel would be any better to be honest. They are also cautious men.

    England have certain strengths and certain weaknesses and certain myopias when it comes to defending the likes of maguire when thr tournament comes about.

    England were always likely to fall to the first decent side they met based on that guy alone

    I dont like the little England attitude when England cricket has a nz man at the helm amd englaish Rugby just dumped an Australian who was in charge for years. Its just being silly.
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    You have to laugh though. Southgate made a lot of money off pizza hut.
     
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  8. Zanjinho

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    Taking the piss out yourself is fair enough. The stick Saka got though? I don't think any player should get that amount of stick unless your name is Diouf!
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Saka stuff wasn't right. Kid walks up and tries and gets racist abuse.

    Kane is the main man and balloons one. You'd expect at least a few Scots laughing heartily. I mean it shouldn't be personal about kane himself, it can be joking about knocking a few satellites out of near earth orbit or whatever.

    Own it
     
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  10. THE FOOL

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    It's difficult to say, because your not in the camp, but I'd assume constantly being aware of the oppositions attacking play, there strong points and how England must be prepared to stop them as opposed to this is how we will win, this is how we take them apart, this is why we are a better team must have an effect.

    You'll have their right back on toast is a much more positive message than you best help out your left back because he won't manage by himself.

    Southgate has killed any interest I had in England. I wouldn't mid if it was a shocking team, but there's some bloody good players there, that if used well would dominate.

    I'd like to see the day we lined up with trent, Foden, saka, maddison, toney/Wilson/Abraham flexed and said try to hold us rather than the meek approach. We might get something of a freekick.
     
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    #dioufist
     
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  12. Solid Air 2

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    Yeah Saka was really defensive against France :emoticon-0112-wonde
    Foden started v Wales with Sterling on bench
    I wouldn't pick Trent for England either as they don't set up to play like us .
    If not Maguire then whom ?
     
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    Nearly no jokes about kanes penalty knocking nasa's latest rocket out of orbit even.

    I don't know about that, I'm seeing at least 3 a day. It's meme heaven for some.
     
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    Richard Keys lecturing people on political correctness?
    Comical.
     
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  15. THE FOOL

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    Tomori
     
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  16. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    That's one game..he's been picked by Southgate at lwb as well. My point is the primary reason Southgate picks any player is how well they defend, nothing else.

    Foden was picked only when the group was already in the bag. Even trent was allowed on in a game that's how easy rhe group was.

    There's no point debating one player over another bar mr.maguire. my point with Southgate is valid. He doesn't pick by form or by attacking ability..he picks by who will work back and defend

    Now maguire.

    Yes England are not very well equipped at cb

    It's one of those where there's a few with very dirty bibs

    White won't play again after leaving camp after behaving badly (apparently it was a fight with coach not a personal issue but we will see)

    Mings has been as bad as maguire frankly.

    But.. it's not like coady or gomez or tarkowski or others are really up to it.

    Southgate has stuck for 2 years with his pair of stone and maguire or trio of walker stone maguire and doesn't seem to have any interest in bringing in some of the younger guys coming through. Tomori wasn't given any look in here and there's a couple lads like.konsa and gueha for example that have to br looked at.

    The dilemma is England would be stuck at the blood cup with coady or dier which is obvious disastrous as well bit Southgate own fault :)

    Maguire sticks out like a sore thumb for England but otamendi sticks out just as much for Argentina so other players have to pick up the slack
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I must not have enough unpatriotic sources.
     
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    "If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two impostors just the same".
     
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    The last paragraph is key.

    Your cb is poor, two options make the other 10 players defend so he doest have to, make sure we've got the ball and they are defending so he he doesn't have to.

    To see how the approach differs Argentina are 3 nil up in the semi final, England are sat at home

    I will qualify that I think England are a better team than Argentina
     
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    57% of people racist... :bandit:

    Of course the manager should be English. Anyone will have more passion and drive for their own team than someone else's. Plus, it's the England team, it's not fully English if not an English manager. Personally, I think every team should be managed by someone who is a citizen of that nation.
     
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