Come on, I don't think you should be using this as a dig against our club(s), when we've all said what a bad idea we think it is. Not to mention that you would most likely be one of those to have the "special voting rights" if they were to come about. How about we all just put aside partisan notions for a bit and discuss this in the wider context of the game we all love rather than turning it into yet another slanging match? I hate the idea of a European Super League (we have one in part already) and the inexorable disconnect between the top clubs and the rest. Only a selfish few want to see their team get bigger and bigger while the rest of football goes to the dogs. The game belongs to its fans, and somehow we have to make these remote owners understand that.
That's how I see it. The genie is out of the bottle. There's no going back to pre PL days but there are changes that can and should be made. The current proposals regarding the distribution of moneys down are great, some of the others are outrageous. If they wanted to test the waters, they have made more than a ripple
Barca and Real earned pretty much the same as English clubs in terms of domestic TV revenue (approx £160m for 18-19). Which would imply TV companies are more interested in the big clubs than the smaller ones.
agreed which is why they switched to PL style collective bargaining some years ago which has lessened the gap between RM & Barca and the others . This was done as they had seen interest wane while the more unpredictable PL had commercially continued to rise - though that rise is now plateauing in TV revenue .
The amount of money in the game reducing would most certainly be a good thing. Part of the reason so many clubs struggle is because of the ridiculous sums on offer.
They don't have them over a barrel as this won't be voted through. Do you really think the fans give a **** if the broadcasting riches are reduced? I support a football club, not their accounts.
You think that the Asian market was attracted to the PL originally because of the mighty RS I assume. Or is it more likely that overseas fans were drawn in by the actual football in the league, and then picked a side that was winning as their ‘choice’? Overseas markets are also massively effected by players from the actual country playing in that league. We had a ridiculous viewing figures for our games in China when we had Li Tie playing for us, for example. Our figures in Columbia are now through the roof due to Rodriguez. But as per, it’s always binary in the land of the self interest driven Sky era ‘big 6’ fan. The current system doesn’t have every side as equal either btw, TV cash is split on the basis of league success and appearances.
True, my bad, but the figures quoted are since that change, so the playing field is still massively skewed.
It’s not a dig at your club, it’s a dig at your greedy Sherman owners based and their actions. So don’t conflate the two and take it to heart mate. I have absolutely no interest in us being given ‘special voting rights’ as some meaningless sweetener to vote for this transparent bollocks. As I disagree with the entire premise and also it’d be as absolutely meaningless anyway, as if you read the proposal they’d only need 6 of the 9 to vote through any changes, so that’ll be the ‘big 6’ then. The entire discussion is moot anyway as this is going nowhere, as demonstrated by the swift press release yesterday that was obvs the view of the rest of the division. However, if it ever made it to the table I’d be haranguing my club to not have any part of it and to vote it down, as should any genuine supporter of any of the clubs involved imo. Yet again the game shows its truly ugly side, with clubs trying to use a crisis as leverage for their own agenda, it’s ****ing shameful.
What fans want is VERY different to what owners want ! The decision rests with the owners who really couldn't give a damn about the fans in general. They realise that the following of their clubs is global and will remain huge irrespective of the league, premiership or European super league or any other new league.
I'd wager that both yourselves and United wouldn't want to piss off your tens of thousands of season ticket holders though. And clubs further down the league need to a bit more careful, as they'll be needing those fans if they were to get relegated. Anyway, as one of the special 9 have come out and said no then there's absolutely no chance these proposals go through as they stand.
but the percentage the big 2 take has lessened . My point was they had seen that a more even distribution of funds increased competition and hence interest . Still think the PL stole a march competitively by being a collective and it is that which has led to the popularity of the PL . Also the ease of purchasing PL clubs has led to constant swings in the power structures making PL more unpredictable. ooh it's nearly stopped raining so time to walk little fooker .
The comment I responded to was talking about why so much money is paid to watch the current format, not some second guess at what the future holds. People have their favourites and there are certainly clubs more popular than others but to think a selection of teams is more important than the overall package is crazy. There is no money without the overall package. I'll repeat, no one pays to watch Liverpool or Man Utd if they've no one to play against! I've actually said in the past; if Liverpool opted to join a super league, I'd wave them on their merry way. The greed being shown is embarrassing!
I agree completely. The vetoing of new potential owners was another beauty in that proposal. No more competition wanted thanks chaps, you’ve got way too much dosh, so you’re defo not coming in.
Funny how there’s people denying that it’s the competitive nature of the league that makes it such an appealing product and is the cornerstone of its worldwide appeal. Yet this comes only week after we saw both of the protagonists behind this proposal getting absolutely gubbed - United hammered 6-1 at home and Liverpool shipping 7 at a side that escaped relegation last season due to a fault in the goal line tech.
Interesting to note that in their statement the FA say they " welcome a wide ranging discussion on the future of the game " yet have been nowhere to be seen in actually leading any kind of discussion. It's not alright always being reactive when they should be proactive. They did a good job in getting football going again with talks with clubs and the government but this is something to build on. They should be the one coming up with innovative ideas for saving the EFL as the very least they can do bearing in mind it's sort of their job.
In case @Tobes hasn't noticed his club has been invited to join said 9 shareholders and shove its snout into the collective trough with the rest of them. Mr Moshiri I'm sure is most pleased to dive right in But enjoy allan, dacoure, richalson, james and the rest though.
Clubs owners are merely custodians imo. As football clubs aren’t ‘normal’ businesses, in the U.K. they’re part of local communities and always have been. This is where the disconnect comes with the American owners who are pushing for this, as they just don’t get it imo. They’re used to dealing with a franchise model where they can literally up sticks and move it should they see a fiscal benefit in doing so.
