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[Tobes]

You can say the same for any season when considering injuries, suspensions, change of manager and the January transfer window etc.

They’re not even remotely similar though. As the Jan window and the ability to change managers are just part of the rules of the season, known at the start. Injuries, suspensions and form are just part of the game.

Completely different to sides losing the potentially crucial home advantage during the run in, if you’re a club that’s fighting for your life in the division. Bad enough that if we restart the league there’ll be no fans present, but teams also losing the psychological benefit of their home grounds surroundings and the familiarity that brings, is just wrong. I can’t believe anyone pretends not to understand that tbh.

Anyway, you reds have said playing at home grounds isn’t an issue, as no fans will turn up outside, as you all got upset when Big Joe said that you would. So, what’s the issue with using home grounds?

 

[astro]

They’re not even remotely similar though. As the Jan window and the ability to change managers are just part of the rules of the season, known at the start. Injuries, suspensions and form are just part of the game.

Completely different to sides losing the potentially crucial home advantage during the run in, if you’re a club that’s fighting for your life in the division. Bad enough that if we restart the league there’ll be no fans present, but teams also losing the psychological benefit of their home grounds surroundings and the familiarity that brings, is just wrong. I can’t believe anyone pretends not to understand that tbh.

Anyway, you reds have said playing at home grounds isn’t an issue, as no fans will turn up outside, as you all got upset when Big Joe said that you would. So, what’s the issue with using home grounds?

If a club lost the use of their home stadium for the final 9 games of the season due to an earthquake or other natural disaster would we scrap relegation?

 

[Tobes]

If a club lost the use of their home stadium for the final 9 games of the season due to an earthquake or other natural disaster would we scrap relegation?

Or an asteroid strike? Or a localised nuclear explosion?

Is that really an attempt at an actual argument from you?

 

[astro]

Or an asteroid strike? Or a localised nuclear explosion?

Is that really an attempt at an actual argument from you?

For whatever reason. Would the entire relegation and promotion system be scrapped because a team didn't get to change in their own locker room?

 

[Tobes]

For whatever reason. Would the entire relegation and promotion system be scrapped because a team didn't get to change in their own locker room?

Oh please, just stop.

As there’s no reason why PL grounds couldn’t be used for games now, as safely as central venues, other than, the possibility of fans rocking up outside.

 

[Libby]

For whatever reason. Would the entire relegation and promotion system be scrapped because a team didn't get to change in their own locker room?

*dressing room

 

[astro]

Oh please, just stop.

As there’s no reason why PL grounds couldn’t be used for games now, as safely as central venues, other than, the possibility of fans rocking up outside.

So long as the stadium has 300 parking spaces for the all the people Karren Brady says are needed.

 

[Diego]

So long as the stadium has 300 parking spaces for the all the people Karren Brady says are needed.

Brady's wrong.
In big grounds it could be as many as 350.

 

[HugoEkitikeN01]

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[Zanjinho]

They’re not even remotely similar though. As the Jan window and the ability to change managers are just part of the rules of the season, known at the start. Injuries, suspensions and form are just part of the game.

Completely different to sides losing the potentially crucial home advantage during the run in, if you’re a club that’s fighting for your life in the division. Bad enough that if we restart the league there’ll be no fans present, but teams also losing the psychological benefit of their home grounds surroundings and the familiarity that brings, is just wrong. I can’t believe anyone pretends not to understand that tbh.

Anyway, you reds have said playing at home grounds isn’t an issue, as no fans will turn up outside, as you all got upset when Big Joe said that you would. So, what’s the issue with using home grounds?

Never said they were the same, just pointing out a season is never truly fair

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

I think their point is that if the conditions are the same from the start its fair, but some teams have already had home advantage in fixtures, if you aren't given the same then it skews the results.

It would be like if this were last season when we were close to City and they'd already played a home game at the Etihad against us but we had to play our "home" game at the Emirates with no crowd. That's a massive disadvantage and would tip the balance in City's favour massively. When we are talking about the amount of money involved in the relegation fight then I can kind of understand it tbh.

So, to be clear - if we start the next season behind closed doors and with the restrictions we have now, we have to finish it next year under the same restrictions, even if there are medical and/or technological advances that may deem some of them unnecessary?

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

They’re not even remotely similar though. As the Jan window and the ability to change managers are just part of the rules of the season, known at the start. Injuries, suspensions and form are just part of the game.

Completely different to sides losing the potentially crucial home advantage during the run in, if you’re a club that’s fighting for your life in the division. Bad enough that if we restart the league there’ll be no fans present, but teams also losing the psychological benefit of their home grounds surroundings and the familiarity that brings, is just wrong. I can’t believe anyone pretends not to understand that tbh.

Anyway, you reds have said playing at home grounds isn’t an issue, as no fans will turn up outside, as you all got upset when Big Joe said that you would. So, what’s the issue with using home grounds?

I read from Fat Joe's statement that any football played anywhere at any time by anybody would result in fans turning up in mobs outside their home grounds, like they do anyway when their team is playing away from home. Oh, wait..

No, but, er, he does mean every team doesn't he, or is he just saying this is a specific 'Redshite' phenomena?

 

[Tobes]

I read from Fat Joe's statement that any football played anywhere at any time by anybody would result in fans turning up in mobs outside their home grounds, like they do anyway when their team is playing away from home. Oh, wait..

No, but, er, he does mean every team doesn't he, or is he just saying this is a specific 'Redshite' phenomena?

And you lot got all upset and said it wouldn’t happen, so it’s not an issue from your perspective.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

And you lot got all upset and said it wouldn’t happen, so it’s not an issue from your perspective.

We said we wouldn't do it, but you know damn well who will.

 

[Tobes]

We said we wouldn't do it, but you know damn well who will.

Oh right, so you’re saying that Kopites wouldn’t do it, but fans of other clubs would, I see.

Somewhat hypocritical given how upset you all got with Joe suggesting it’d happen, based on no evidence.

 

[astro]

Oh right, so you’re saying that Kopites wouldn’t do it, but fans of other clubs would, I see.

Somewhat hypocritical given how upset you all got with Joe suggesting it’d happen, based on no evidence.

Joe said that LFC fans would break the lockdown with no evidence. Only recently he [HASHTAG]#backpedaled[/HASHTAG] to claim it was about all fans.

 

[Tobes]

Joe said that LFC fans would break the lockdown with no evidence. Only recently he [HASHTAG]#backpedaled[/HASHTAG] to claim it was about all fans.

And what? Donga has done exactly the same thing.

 

[astro]

And what? Donga has done exactly the same thing.

Joe: “Even if it was behind closed doors, there’d be many thousands of people who would turn up outside Anfield. There’s not many people who would respect what we were saying and stay away from the ground, a lot of people would come to celebrate so I think it’s a non-starter.”

That's a targeted attack on a single set of fans.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Oh right, so you’re saying that Kopites wouldn’t do it, but fans of other clubs would, I see.

Somewhat hypocritical given how upset you all got with Joe suggesting it’d happen, based on no evidence.

I don't regard any criticism of Joe as coming from a unified, homogeneous blob, but, like null and void, I think hypocrisy and self-interest are not the single domain of anyone holding a viewpoint on this subject. So I'll say again - is Joe claiming that fans turning up at stadiums when matches are being played elsewhere behind closed doors specific to Liverpool fans? If so, based on what evidence?

If not, the implication is that football cannot be played again at the highest level until we're back to full, pre-coronavirus status. Surely that is the logical outcome of what he's saying? And that follows on from the post I made further up the thread - surely we can't start next season until we know it will end under the same conditions? So, if we start in October behind closed doors and we play City away that month, then towards the end of the season (say July because it started late) at Anfield in front of, say, a 25% crowd, would City not be able to say 'That's unfair - our home advantage was diluted' (maybe City was not the best example)? Is that not the (legitimate?) Brighton argument now?

Think Joe wants to be careful what he wishes for. The commercial influx of tens of thousands of fans coming to the city to watch games each weekend, even if we have to wait for next Spring, might be something desperately needed by then - pity to have painted himself into a corner because, God forbid, he just couldn't stand the idea of Liverpool fans celebrating.

 

[Tobes]

Joe: “Even if it was behind closed doors, there’d be many thousands of people who would turn up outside Anfield. There’s not many people who would respect what we were saying and stay away from the ground, a lot of people would come to celebrate so I think it’s a non-starter.”

That's a targeted attack on a single set of fans.

He’s the Mayor of Liverpool.

Also, the pair of you have deflected away from the actual point. If fans turning up at grounds isn’t a problem at all, as you maintain, then why not just use home grounds?