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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by JurgenKlopp'sdynasty, Jul 6, 2018.
That non penalty was an appalling decision.
It gets worse week after week. Today there have been some shocking decisions.
There's no point in having it, if they are avoiding changing a referee's on field decision.
At the moment it's just technology to spot offsides and handballs. Fair enough, but avoiding the real decisions like the penalty shout today makes it all seem a bit pointless.
doesnt even spot handballs, Ali’s goal he control with his arm
They were saying at the start of season the threshold to overturn a decision is very high, which is stupid because the decision is either right or wrong when it comes to penalties
Personally think that VAR is the clear and obvious error.
It doesn't always get offside right either. Several times (our game against Arsenal was one) I've seen a tight offside been allowed to run and a corner ensuing from it. The corner is given even though the free kick should have been awarded to the defending side.
If they're not prepared to shift the decision making from the on-pitch ref to the studio one then it will just never work. Not that I'm advocating that shift, just that it's the only way the system can function efficiently.
It's just a mess atm.
Pretty much my thoughts. The guys in charge are so scared of 'undermining' the referees by giving more power to the video ref and yet, he's the one who's best placed to spot the smaller details in the game! It's meant to be a refereeing team, not a one man show. Who really gives a **** who makes the call if it's the lino, ref or the guy in London in the TV room so long as it's correct? VAR is fine. The way it's being used (or not used) is abysmal.
so every decision to be decided by VAR that sounds absolutely dreadful.
I didn't say that?
Also people talk about VAR like it's some AI system which makes awful calls. It's simply a set of cameras and TV screens which the refereeing team has access too. The system is used brilliantly in Rugby, Tennis, NFL and other sports globally. There's **** all wrong with VAR. It has everything to do with football's precious leaders and their awful rules, who are scared to borrow ideas from elsewhere or share power between officials incase it detracts from the 'big mean ref' in the middle.
So, yet another weekend where VAR is more talked about than the actual football.
Wasn't VAR supposed to be only fact and reduce all the arguments?
Exactly. There’s no problem with the technology itself. It’s the implementation.
The irony is, if VAR was actually used to overturn the ‘not clear and obvious decisions’, I feel there would be less scrutiny on refs because the correct decision would be made and we’d all move on quickly.
But because it doesn’t, all VAR does is highlight the wrong call and shows how incompetent the refs are. And we end up discussing for days.
People are obsessed with VAR too though. The decisions could be 100% accurate all weekend and it would still be discussed.
i love this assumption that VAR will come to the correct decision every time since this weekend proves peoples view of the correct decision often differs.
I do understand why you wouldn't stop the game for that, though. I'm fine with it just being used for goals & important incidents e.g. red cards. If they start using it for offsides that don't lead to goals or handballs/fouls in the middle of the pitch it would become even worse I think with the game being stop/start.
The discussions and the criticisms are entirely justified imo. The decision as to whether it improves or detracts from the game is one that requires examination.
It's a system that simply cannot work without changing the way the game is played. By that I mean unless we're going to stop the game for minutes at a time whilst every contentious decision is put to bed then it isn't going to be any better than the way things were before.
I said this when it was first heralded, it just seems so obvious.
The game has to decide whether it wants to become a stop-start thing, or just accept that subjective decisions will remain arbitrary. I can't see a way in which we can keep a fluid game but eliminate incorrect decisions.
If they explained the thought process of their decisions it would help, like they do in rugby. With VAR its all a great big mystery and everyone's left guessing until they make their decisions and even then its not very clear why some decisions are made.
might help a bit but so many decisions are opinion after all Zanjinho doesn't think Origi was fouled yesterday so along with Atkinson and the man in the bunker that makes 3
Good example is the Villa disallowed goal this weekend where you can see the logic for either decision imo .
Origi was clearly caught in that challenge, he's not the sort to feign injury and time waste like say err......James
It was an obvious kick on Origi - daft to suggest otherwise - but to be fair to James, he did run into a couple of brick walls.