Poyet Changes Tune ?
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He's still a prick.
He could say we're the best football club in the world and he'd still be a prick.
He could say we're the best football club in the world and he'd still be a prick.
He's been on the BBC saying how he wants to improve technical ability in English football:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15742865.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15742865.stm
WTF!
Pathetic mind games!
He thinks he's Mourinho but he's about as good a manager as Alan Shearer was at Newcastle
Pathetic mind games!
He thinks he's Mourinho but he's about as good a manager as Alan Shearer was at Newcastle
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Hey, if he wants to praise us, let him do it, I don't know how sincere it is but for Petes sake don't put him off, maybe his true colours will show after Saturdays game, whichever way it goes.
I've got no problem with him praising Saints, he'd be a complete idiot not to, the way we've played for the first third of the season. What I don't like is that he's not retracted one word of the rubbish he said about us last season, and that he still seems to have a very high opinion of his own abilities as a manager, with none of the humility that Nigel Adkins shows eveery time he is interviewed.
Hit the nail on the head. No comparison for me. Poyet can talk all he wants. I'm happy for us to keep winning football games!
Moaning about the lack of technique in English football. It didn't bother him when he was making a fortune from the same game when he was at Chelsea did it?
I would rather listen to Adkins any time over Poyet. Adkins is honest in his assessment of his team and matches they have been involved in, and so what if may have a little grin to himself, I think I would if my team is top of the league.
I would rather listen to Adkins any time over Poyet. Adkins is honest in his assessment of his team and matches they have been involved in, and so what if may have a little grin to himself, I think I would if my team is top of the league.
I guess this is the article you refer to?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15742862.stm
TBH. we were talking about lack of technique back then in the mid to late eighties. we aren't now. Many of us are moaning about too much technique and a lack of good old english passion whether it be all out attack like Man U/Saints (I will never accept we play boring Barca sideways style) or whether it be hoof it up and chase.
Blood and Thunder and red home countries Blood is what is missing in the game mostly. Nothing to do with technique. An English hoofball side that had the passion, the heart and not the eyes on the gold and fame would steamroller the likes of Barca (by fair means or foul) but we will never return to having a team of 11 home grown players with the real passion for what their club means rather than what the current club means they can afford or expect off field.
As for Poyet. He was a clogger not a hi technique player so what on earth is he on about? unless he started off meaning what I am saying then forgot and started on about what he and the currently non existent Brighton academy will achieve.
So guys. Fight for passion, fight for the heart, fight against the mercenaries but not dress it up as technique of lack of it
I would support Saints even if they did play like Brighton and West Ham.
Indeed living most of my life near to Sincil Bank I have seen an incredibly high share of 'hoofball' matches and enjoyed every moment of them be it Graham Taylor right through to John Beck. It was the passion, heart, spirit and tribal ambience that created a great atmosphere. Certainly wasn't the letting the grass grow longer in the corners to slow the long ball up for the wingers to run on to. lol
We kid ourselves we go to football to be entertained. There are very few teams playing entertaining football in that sense. What we go to football is for the whole package from the escape from homelife, the cheeky pint in the daytime before the match. The banter, the atmosphere, the different feeling you have in your heart and soul just to talk to other people who are going on exactly the same journey as you. Sometimes holding a tear back at the slightest thing that others would not understand why you had just gotten that gulp in your throat and tear in your eye. The feeling of pride and the rose tinted glasses we all have.
Yes we want our team to play some nice football, however we would rather see them win whilst playing hoofball than lose week in a/wek out playing pretty but ineffective football. Yet we would still enjoy it because of the rest of the package. What the smaller tribal gatherings (i.e. the pub on the outskirts) then the larger tribal gatherings (the pub close to the ground) followed by the full on trib reunion (the stadium) mean to us. and of course to be followed (when I were a single lad. lol) by the victorious march down the high street, drinking in each bar until we hit the town centre, marching along every bar until we got hungry, eating then reaslising the clubs were opening and eventually falling unconcious without ever knowing how we got home a full 15 hours after starting the journey.
That is what football is about. the togtherness. Technique or lack of is BS. It is there. Passion or lack of is a reality which is worsening by the day.
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We're top of the league, we're top of the league, we're dagnum nd redbridge, we're top of theleague
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15742862.stm
TBH. we were talking about lack of technique back then in the mid to late eighties. we aren't now. Many of us are moaning about too much technique and a lack of good old english passion whether it be all out attack like Man U/Saints (I will never accept we play boring Barca sideways style) or whether it be hoof it up and chase.
Blood and Thunder and red home countries Blood is what is missing in the game mostly. Nothing to do with technique. An English hoofball side that had the passion, the heart and not the eyes on the gold and fame would steamroller the likes of Barca (by fair means or foul) but we will never return to having a team of 11 home grown players with the real passion for what their club means rather than what the current club means they can afford or expect off field.
As for Poyet. He was a clogger not a hi technique player so what on earth is he on about? unless he started off meaning what I am saying then forgot and started on about what he and the currently non existent Brighton academy will achieve.
So guys. Fight for passion, fight for the heart, fight against the mercenaries but not dress it up as technique of lack of it
I would support Saints even if they did play like Brighton and West Ham.Indeed living most of my life near to Sincil Bank I have seen an incredibly high share of 'hoofball' matches and enjoyed every moment of them be it Graham Taylor right through to John Beck. It was the passion, heart, spirit and tribal ambience that created a great atmosphere. Certainly wasn't the letting the grass grow longer in the corners to slow the long ball up for the wingers to run on to. lol
We kid ourselves we go to football to be entertained. There are very few teams playing entertaining football in that sense. What we go to football is for the whole package from the escape from homelife, the cheeky pint in the daytime before the match. The banter, the atmosphere, the different feeling you have in your heart and soul just to talk to other people who are going on exactly the same journey as you. Sometimes holding a tear back at the slightest thing that others would not understand why you had just gotten that gulp in your throat and tear in your eye. The feeling of pride and the rose tinted glasses we all have.
Yes we want our team to play some nice football, however we would rather see them win whilst playing hoofball than lose week in a/wek out playing pretty but ineffective football. Yet we would still enjoy it because of the rest of the package. What the smaller tribal gatherings (i.e. the pub on the outskirts) then the larger tribal gatherings (the pub close to the ground) followed by the full on trib reunion (the stadium) mean to us. and of course to be followed (when I were a single lad. lol) by the victorious march down the high street, drinking in each bar until we hit the town centre, marching along every bar until we got hungry, eating then reaslising the clubs were opening and eventually falling unconcious without ever knowing how we got home a full 15 hours after starting the journey.
That is what football is about. the togtherness. Technique or lack of is BS. It is there. Passion or lack of is a reality which is worsening by the day.
Oh -
We're top of the league, we're top of the league, we're dagnum nd redbridge, we're top of theleague
Like that last post. I have watched my Saints for 40 years and I only ever want them to win no matter how. I don't watch match of the Day cos Saints are not on it nor champions league, I am a Saints fan first and then its England. That's it. Come on you Saints
Its not so much praise as humble pie its taken a close season but in twelve months we have overhauled his team and left them in our wake and Nigels' if you can keep up with us' comment does'nt look like a shallow boast now does it.Ithink its a case of Brighton now finding their true level for now and us pushing on
I agree with ImpsSaint, but only to a point. Yes, winning is the main thing, and the belonging to the tribe is essential. But I do go to St Mary's to be entertained, and part of the pride which I feel at the moment is not just our lofty position, but the manner in which we have achieved it.
There were moments under Strachan when the one-touch football made me doubt that it was Saints I was watching! There is a joy in winning which rages in the moment, but would I get so much joy if we played hoofball? No, because I would feel that we would get found out as we played better teams. But I can only get that joy because we are winning. Given the choice of winning ugly and losing pretty, I am in the ugly corner.
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There were moments under Strachan when the one-touch football made me doubt that it was Saints I was watching! There is a joy in winning which rages in the moment, but would I get so much joy if we played hoofball? No, because I would feel that we would get found out as we played better teams. But I can only get that joy because we are winning. Given the choice of winning ugly and losing pretty, I am in the ugly corner.
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)Most teams who win on a regular basis do i think generally play open and attractive football as a rule look at us at present. I think teams who play 'ugly' are often teams who play to survive.We did however pick up an ugly point at Reading not because we chose to play that way but because they played high tempo pressing football and knocked us away from our usual cultured football and the character of our players pulled us through
I agree with ImpsSaint, but only to a point. Yes, winning is the main thing, and the belonging to the tribe is essential. But I do go to St Mary's to be entertained, and part of the pride which I feel at the moment is not just our lofty position, but the manner in which we have achieved it.
There were moments under Strachan when the one-touch football made me doubt that it was Saints I was watching! There is a joy in winning which rages in the moment, but would I get so much joy if we played hoofball? No, because I would feel that we would get found out as we played better teams. But I can only get that joy because we are winning. Given the choice of winning ugly and losing pretty, I am in the ugly corner.
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Now how can I miss an opportunity like that........you are in the right place!!
Getting back to the original post....Saints had, pretty well up to the Lowe era, a reputation for trying to play good football. We seemed to go a lot more defensive all of a sudden, because the investment was not there to do anything else. The investment that is, that was promised from day one by Lowe. So I would agree that all we want is for Saints to win but we would like them to go back to the days when they won in style to compliment the win.......
Actually, at St Marys, the ugly corner, is not a corner at all. No, it's the itchen side of the Northam Stand. 