Yarco, I missed this word or at least the significance of this word (Saviour) - saviour from what exactly? I am yet to see anyone suggest that the club will go belly up if we get relegated, so no saviour needed there. Yes it would not be easy going back down and fighting the way back up but that's football life.
Exactly goldeneadie. Plus as I said earlier, if the extra money enables us to set up a pan-European scouting network (where's Superman when you need him ) then very few of our transfer targets will be known to other clubs, especially as we seem to have feelers out in the Belgian top league at the moment. If we could find a foreign gem for, say £6m, rather than be held to ransom for Hooper for £8m, then the foreign scouting network will have virtually paid for itself after one transaction. And that's just one are the extra income could be well utilised. It is, after all, a business, and as such needs to be sustainable, rather than buying "all the best" players, with a kid in a sweet shop mentality
We will be in a stronger position financially compared to ourselves the year before, or ourselves if we drop to the championship. This is reason enough to value the potential income of survival. All clubs don't go for every player. Michu cost 2M. If everyone went for him he would have cost much more. Greater investment in our scouting network will help us find these sort of players. The money will serve to create a greater divide between the EPL and the CCC. That's a bad thing i agree. The only way to make the best of the situation however, is to be on the right side of that divide.
I may not go into as much detail on this but I look at it that £50m to us is a lot more than £50m to Chelsea, Utd, City ect..... its all relative. We will be debt free and if this money is spend wisely then it could make a huge difference compared to other EPL teams. If you think all clubs will use this money wisely then I think thats a mistake. Plus why on earth wouldnt we want £50m?!?! whatever way you look at it we need to utilise the money wisely and keep improving from one season to the next. I think consistant steady growth within our means is vital.
I think it's all been said before, but I'll have another try. 20 teams get a £50m bonus cash injection. That money can be spent on the playing squad, or whatever else the club feels they need. When competing for players, every team has different requirements, so we're not competing with the entire division for players. A (for example) Left Back who may improve our squad is going to be of no use to the top 6/7 teams, and we'll be a much more attractive club to come to than the promoted teams, leaving only 9 other teams. Then you've got to ask yourself how many will actually want a Left Back, and suddenly nothing has changed. However, when competing with foreign teams, we're suddenly a lot better off. Van Wolfswinkel is supposed to be interesting Fiorentina. This summer we'll have £50m they don't, meaning PL sides have a huge advantage over continental sides. At the end of the season, 3 teams go down, whether that includes us or not, those teams are going to be hugely better off than most of the championship, with the parachute payments alone probably greater than the budgets of many teams. If a team is run well, by which I mean they have relegation wage clauses, etc in place, and a good team spirit, then a relegated team should be able to keep the majority of their squad intact, and I'd expect at least 2 of the 3 relegated sides to bounce right back. Over time, that's going to leave 23-25 sides with vastly greater resources than any other club in England (and Wales), short of huge external investment. Where do Norwich fit into this? If we stay up, we become one of those 23-25 sides, with a very good chance of becoming an established PL side. We'll be able to finance expansion to Carrow Road, an improved scouting network, and all the other things a mid-table PL side should have. After a couple of seasons of this we can become like Fulham or Stoke, as perennial mid-table sides with little threat of relegation, and with an increasing side of competing for European places and domestic cups. If we go down, we miss out on this "pot of gold" and the 20 teams in the PL now have vastly greater resources than us. We'd have similar resources to most top-end championship sides, but not hugely superior. If we fail to win promotion at the first or second attempt, we end up cut out of that 23-25 team elite, making a return to the PL nearly impossible without significant external investment. Overall, survival this season and this "pot of gold" is the best chance we've got of ever becoming an established PL side, and failing to take that chance could have a huge impact on any future ambitions we have as a club.
Put another way, three seasons ago we could not have a hula-hoop from East Stirling let alone bid £6-7m on Hooper from Celtic. We very nearly went bust. Now with the PL cash we have a hugely more talented squad than we did, soon we will have no external debt and a tier 1 academy. If we can keep our current position we will have £50m + to come into the coffers to spend how the board see fit. If we do not get on board now we will struggle badly to even reach these levels again.
Yarco, if I may step in here, I'm struggling to accept that you can't understand what EVERYONE else is saying! This is a football forum so there will be differing opinions, but this is so glaringly obvious that you're doing my head in! I'm not trying to offend you, I like 99.9% of your posts but you are WAY out of order with this one!
Not allowed to have an opinion that doesn't falls in line with the majority Dave. I thought this was an open forum,but now I understand we have to toe the party line. Sad day Dave.I will leave it to Supers in the future.
Yarco, everyone here accepts that the increased budgets may drive up domestic prices slightly (although that will be the same for everyone, so doesn't really have a great impact, if we're earning 10% more, paying 10% more for a player is fairly irrelevant). However you are hugely overlooking the increased quality of player we will be able to attract from abroad, and it further makes the PL more attractive than foreign leagues, see my Wolfswinkel example. As a club, this "pot of gold" puts us in a far stronger position to remain in this division and progress, so I fail to see why you don't agree with the majority of us. Sure it might not mean we never get relegated ever again, but it means if we do we'll be far stronger than 90% of championship sides, and be perfectly capable of returning quickly. And you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, nothing wrong with that. If I want to post that I believe ITFC are the greatest team to ever grace the game, then I'm perfectly free to (so long as it's not done as a poor WUM attempt), I'd just anticipate being shot down pretty quickly! (Note for our friends down the A140-I do not subscribe to this belief at all!) By airing your opinion in a public forum you invite people to post criticisms of your belief, and in this case your opinion is different to everyone else's. You are receiving constructive criticism for the most part, nobody is just saying "You're wrong", they're explaining why they believe you're wrong. Isn't that the point of a debate? The entire point of a forum is to debate, not someone say something and everyone say "Yep, I agree", so thank-you for starting this discussion. However, equally with the amount of decent arguments presented to you, the second part to debate is reconsidering your position when presented with new evidence/arguments!
Yarco, I suggest you read my post again, I have alluded to the "forum" principle of differing opinions, but suggest that there can be no difference of opinion on this matter from true NCFC fans!
Not a true NCFC supporter,because I point out that this "pot of Gold" will not make MY TEAMS job any easier in attracting better players to Carrow Rd. The fundamental point was and still is that ALL teams in PREM will get this money,so please explain how that benefits us in relation to all the other PREM clubs.
Ok, to try and express that exact point: a) £50m for us is a lot more than £50m to Man City/Chelsea, etc, so it helps in narrowing the gaps, albeit only slightly b) For every season we survive, we'll have this £50m, each promoted club will not have had the previous years £50m, so we will financially be much stronger than them, giving us a greater chance of survival c) We are a well-run club, who from when this money starts will have the entire £50m to spend where we want, there will be no debts to pay off, no interest payments on debts, no stadium to rent, no operational deficit to cover, etc, etc d) We will be prudent with the extra money, which will probably include stadium expansion. This would not be possible without the £50m, so the £50m puts us in a much stronger position for the future, as we can make more money from a bigger stadium.
Go back over DH's last two posts Yarco. I don't see how it can be spelled out any clearer than he has managed. He is not talking specifically about British players, more as an attractive proposition for foreigners to come to England to ply their trade. The point you are making about "in relation to other PL clubs" is mostly irrelevant, again for the same reasons DH pointed out. The pool of players we are likely to aim for are not going to be the same as 50% of the PL teams (for the reasons he pointed out) and you cannot tell me that 10 teams are all going to be looking at the exact same players all the time.
