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I Sorry I Ruined The Party said:
You cannot deport a citizen of the US. The whole point of "citizen" is that the US is your country now. You can't kick someone out from the US to return to the US. You also cannot seize someone's private property for committing a crime. That would be unconstitutional. And politically, I think that even the most diehard Trump supporters would have a major problem with this. If there's one thing they hate more than illegal immigrants, its government ownership of land.

As for the rest, I don't know. The one problem Trump has is that his initial hardline stance on no amnesty is what got him here. But he also knows it is problematic. I don't think he is that much of a hardliner himself, but it always gets him a big round of applause from the audience so he rolled with it. He had that strange townhall meeting where he seemed to be taking a softer stance and even asked the audience what they wanted. Then he reversed again because some of his base were irate. Now he's just kind of avoiding the issue.

The reality is, that just like his wall, it's completely infeasible to get rid of all the undocumented aliens in the country. And most Americans and even many Trump voters realize this. They liked the "tough talk" more than they thought he would actually do it. But the insiders he has surrounded himself with, and his most hardcore supporters are nuts about this issue. He's in a bit of a pickle on that one.

Amnesty is absolutely off the table, I think. Especially if Kris Kobach remains in his team. How many people he actually ends up deporting is the question.
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In the US they have Civil Forfeiture where convicted drug dealers are stripped of cash and property if they can not prove any other income that can explain the cash or property. last year they took $12 billion so they are not shy in doing this. The illegals is as you say a whole bag of poo, pretty much the same as their stance on abortion- half the population will love them and half will hate them
 
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In the US they have Civil Forfeiture where convicted drug dealers are stripped of cash and property if they can not prove any other income that can explain the cash or property. last year they took $12 billion so they are not shy in doing this. The illegals is as you say a whole bag of poo, pretty much the same as their stance on abortion- half the population will love them and half will hate them
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Odd that people over there know about a somewhat obscure area of US law. But civil forfeiture doesn't allow the executive branch to simply seize property. The property gets a trial. Yes that is weird.
 
Wow. The State Republicans in my state are being complete dicks.

There was an anti-Trump protest. During the protest, a Republican HQ was vandalized. Nothing serious. Someone threw a pumpkin at it and I believe some locks were smashed and it was tagged with some graffiti. The state Democrats issued a statement condemning those actions and had a quick fundraiser to raise funds for repairs. They raised a couple thousand dollars.

However when they attempted to give the money to the state GOP, the GOP issued a statement demanding an apology to the millions who supported Trump for the "toxic" and "hateful" rhetoric during the campaign. They then refused the money. And suggested the Democrats give it to a Crisis Pregnancy Center instead.

For real, guys?

Here, let me do it for you:

"We thank the Democrats for condemning the foul actions of a few criminal individuals. While we understand that this election has been contentious, it is now time for all Americans to come together. We do not need the money for repairs, but we appreciate the kind gesture from the Virginia Democrats and call for unity. We ask that this money instead be donated to Veterans in honor of those who have fought and died for our country."

Is that so hard? I mean seriously, why go out of your way to be such assholes? Nice message, take the cash, or refuse it and direct it to a charity everyone agrees on. Simple. Everyone feels good about themselves. Helps keep peace in the community. Why do this?

These next four years are gonna be real, real bad.
 
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I Sorry I Ruined The Party said:
Wow. The State Republicans in my state are being complete dicks.

There was an anti-Trump protest. During the protest, a Republican HQ was vandalized. Nothing serious. Someone threw a pumpkin at it and I believe some locks were smashed and it was tagged with some graffiti. The state Democrats issued a statement condemning those actions and had a quick fundraiser to raise funds for repairs. They raised a couple thousand dollars.

However when they attempted to give the money to the state GOP, the GOP issued a statement demanding an apology to the millions who supported Trump for the "toxic" and "hateful" rhetoric during the campaign. They then refused the money. And suggested the Democrats give it to a Crisis Pregnancy Center instead.

For real, guys?

Here, let me do it for you:

"We thank the Democrats for condemning the foul actions of a few criminal individuals. While we understand that this election has been contentious, it is now time for all Americans to come together. We do not need the money for repairs, but we appreciate the kind gesture from the Virginia Democrats and call for unity. We ask that this money instead be donated to Veterans in honor of those who have fought and died for our country."

Is that so hard? I mean seriously, why go out of your way to be such assholes? Nice message, take the cash, or refuse it and direct it to a charity everyone agrees on. Simple. Everyone feels good about themselves. Helps keep peace in the community. Why do this?

These next four years are gonna be real, real bad.
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Mind if I post this on another forum?
 
Beefy said:
Mind if I post this on another forum?
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Go ahead. Here's the tweet from the GOP.

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Strangest part is at the end. "Screw you assholes, and stick your filthy money where the sun don't shine!! And now we call for unity." Even the pro-life person responding to the tweet was like "WTF? Why?"

If you are unfamiliar with the term, you might want to look up "crisis pregnancy center" in wiki to understand how repugnant that message is. Basically they are tax-exempt Christian centers designed to tell women not to have abortions. Some of them are fairly legit, they are open about their religious affiliation and purpose, and they offer sonograms and some other pregnancy health services.

A lot of them are scammy. They act like they are a Planned Parenthood which is where most people go with unwanted pregnancies to get ALL their options. But when you go they just make you see videos of abortions and stuff like that.

So they are pretty highly politically charged. Also, if you didn't know, today is Veterans Day in the US. So that would have been an easy choice of charity.
 
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I Sorry I Ruined The Party said:
Odd that people over there know about a somewhat obscure area of US law. But civil forfeiture doesn't allow the executive branch to simply seize property. The property gets a trial. Yes that is weird.
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With case names like State of Texas v. One Gold Crucifix, which is an actual trial that happened when police confiscated the cross a woman was wearing (and nothing else), because reasons. It's fun!
 
I Sorry I Ruined The Party said:
Wow. The State Republicans in my state are being complete dicks.

There was an anti-Trump protest. During the protest, a Republican HQ was vandalized. Nothing serious. Someone threw a pumpkin at it and I believe some locks were smashed and it was tagged with some graffiti. The state Democrats issued a statement condemning those actions and had a quick fundraiser to raise funds for repairs. They raised a couple thousand dollars.

However when they attempted to give the money to the state GOP, the GOP issued a statement demanding an apology to the millions who supported Trump for the "toxic" and "hateful" rhetoric during the campaign. They then refused the money. And suggested the Democrats give it to a Crisis Pregnancy Center instead.

For real, guys?

Here, let me do it for you:

"We thank the Democrats for condemning the foul actions of a few criminal individuals. While we understand that this election has been contentious, it is now time for all Americans to come together. We do not need the money for repairs, but we appreciate the kind gesture from the Virginia Democrats and call for unity. We ask that this money instead be donated to Veterans in honor of those who have fought and died for our country."

Is that so hard? I mean seriously, why go out of your way to be such assholes? Nice message, take the cash, or refuse it and direct it to a charity everyone agrees on. Simple. Everyone feels good about themselves. Helps keep peace in the community. Why do this?

These next four years are gonna be real, real bad.
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No surprises then that this was seen in London yesterday...

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I really hope you do. Any American with a half-decent sense of humour should be able to see the funny side.
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Oh I have a reputation for being just a tiny bit rebellious ... when we beat them in the ryder cup two years back it was two weeks before budget meetings and I slipped a couple of slides in about that... this one may be a little closer to "the line" but hey, he who dares Rodders!!!
 
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I Sorry I Ruined The Party said:
Odd that people over there know about a somewhat obscure area of US law. But civil forfeiture doesn't allow the executive branch to simply seize property. The property gets a trial. Yes that is weird.
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People have forgotten one of Blair's governments proposals that didn't make it. Prescott wanted the state to be able to take property back if it was unused for 6 months.
 
I Sorry I Ruined The Party said:
Go ahead. Here's the tweet from the GOP.

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Strangest part is at the end. "Screw you assholes, and stick your filthy money where the sun don't shine!! And now we call for unity." Even the pro-life person responding to the tweet was like "WTF? Why?"

If you are unfamiliar with the term, you might want to look up "crisis pregnancy center" in wiki to understand how repugnant that message is. Basically they are tax-exempt Christian centers designed to tell women not to have abortions. Some of them are fairly legit, they are open about their religious affiliation and purpose, and they offer sonograms and some other pregnancy health services.

A lot of them are scammy. They act like they are a Planned Parenthood which is where most people go with unwanted pregnancies to get ALL their options. But when you go they just make you see videos of abortions and stuff like that.

So they are pretty highly politically charged. Also, if you didn't know, today is Veterans Day in the US. So that would have been an easy choice of charity.
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We both agree these things are barmy because neither of us are religious however over here we have the same in reverse. Non Christian religions and cultures (minority) are tip toed around and hate crimes against minorities are taken to court however when clerics very publicly do their hate speech they are not prosecuted for hate crimes. Some have been prosecuted however it isn't for hate crimes. They are very careful to prosecute them for anything but hate crimes.

Even last week a hate preacher that was openly called out by Andrew Neill lost his case for libel against the BBC. You can guarantee if it was anyone other than Andrew Neill they would have just settled and demoted the presenter.

Politicians (or those who have influence) have to decide. Should religion or culture have any influence over decisions that are made? If so then they can't pick and choose which they will respect and not others.

Problem is that is what they have and are doing and it will be a long time before religion and culture is wiped out.

This is the whole argument from cultures where FGM is practised. They argue that another religion systematically circumsises their young men. Yes this is the other way round and it is 2 minorities but these sort of things set sides against each other.

There has to be 1 rule and not an either or.

If students march through a hall chanting "white power" it is on the news immediately. If white students with corn rows are being bullied over cultural appropriation it isn't. Even now Beyonce is on my TV dressed and made up as an Indian. There is far too much of this 1 rule for one and another for the rest. Same with the elites.

People have grown very suspicious of left leaning groups talking about tackling capitalism when they themselves are propped up by uber capitalists and they themselves are in it up to their eyeballs too.

ISIRTP - We could argue all day. The problem here is that we are both behind different windows and we both think "how can they not see what is happening" where the "what is happening" is opposite for both us and we think the other side is blind or just has selective viewing.
 
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We both agree these things are barmy because neither of us are religious however over here we have the same in reverse. Non Christian religions and cultures (minority) are tip toed around and hate crimes against minorities are taken to court however when clerics very publicly do their hate speech they are not prosecuted for hate crimes. Some have been prosecuted however it isn't for hate crimes. They are very careful to prosecute them for anything but hate crimes.

Even last week a hate preacher that was openly called out by Andrew Neill lost his case for libel against the BBC. You can guarantee if it was anyone other than Andrew Neill they would have just settled and demoted the presenter.

Politicians (or those who have influence) have to decide. Should religion or culture have any influence over decisions that are made? If so then they can't pick and choose which they will respect and not others.

Problem is that is what they have and are doing and it will be a long time before religion and culture is wiped out.

This is the whole argument from cultures where FGM is practised. They argue that another religion systematically circumsises their young men. Yes this is the other way round and it is 2 minorities but these sort of things set sides against each other.

There has to be 1 rule and not an either or.

If students march through a hall chanting "white power" it is on the news immediately. If white students with corn rows are being bullied over cultural appropriation it isn't. Even now Beyonce is on my TV dressed and made up as an Indian. There is far too much of this 1 rule for one and another for the rest. Same with the elites.

People have grown very suspicious of left leaning groups talking about tackling capitalism when they themselves are propped up by uber capitalists and they themselves are in it up to their eyeballs too.

ISIRTP - We could argue all day. The problem here is that we are both behind different windows and we both think "how can they not see what is happening" where the "what is happening" is opposite for both us and we think the other side is blind or just has selective viewing.
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Not going to lie. Your post is giving me racists signals.
 
Beefy said:
Not going to lie. Your post is giving me racists signals.
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Which parts of that excerpt is screaming racism? Because he thinks there are double standards to the majority population (in this case the whites) compared to the the ethnic minorities?
 
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