So basically just a bit of insurance in case the vote went wrong in their eyes...there just aren't enough 
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A lot but not all RJ. I didn't want the vote first time around and I certainly don't want another one thanks.
I totally agree with your sentiment but compare it to Saints. "Why is Les or Ralph not saying anything?". "It is obvious that they did not have a plan".
The top names of both sides have disappeared. The media has decided that they should make this into a story of them hiding but the reality is that the "big beasts" have now got to work together to move this thing forward.
Don't expect to see much of Boris, Gove, Osborne or May until something is ready to be said. If they did then they would keep getting asked and the media would continue their "we only care about the drama" modern style to portray it is chaos and nobody doing anything and that would have the public speculating and there would be even more chaos. They will be working very hard out of sight to get towards something that can be presented even if it is not the finished article.
Like I say Cameron did not have a plan. He does not make the plans. He and his advisors choose which routes of those available they go on. Politicians like Farage (in the old days) that made up stuff on the spot are the nightmares of the system because they often make policies that cannot be implemented without addressing all the other things that are linked in. Cameron made up policy once off the cuff in PMQs and it messed up Government policy going forward in so many ways.
Yes Prime minister is not far from the truth. Politicians rarely come up with anything. They are presented with options. They are advised. They make a final choice from those options based on what they are advised. They very very rarely come up with the ideas.
I think we will hear from Osborne tomorrow. I think we will hear some initial basics of how we will go forward in the next few days. It will take time for them to work through all the options from all the choices that the civil service will have spent months if not years planning for this event and they may have to revisit many as things change hour to hour. Simple changes in markets or the economies may mean the route they decide in one area has to be altered and that can affect something else they decided. It isn't as simple as making a plan and sticking to it. Normal government isn't. alterations have to be made due to changes daily and hourly from within the machine. Just normally they have to try and delicately balance these things because the media just want to jump on anything they notice as a u-turn or a backtrack.
I cannot see this waiting until October/November. That is just to put people of the scent. A story. It is just buying them time and stopping people shouting "Les Whats going on?"
I don't want one, but I did actually hear Faage say that the day before the vote when he thought it would be a close defeat.
It was started on 28th May and had just a few thousand votes before Friday.So basically just a bit of insurance in case the vote went wrong in their eyes...there just aren't enough 
I thought you were asking if Chilco thought he'd ask for one if he lost? I misunderstood your post then. The one liner about having another referendum?
Edit: re-reading it I think you maybe asking the referendum question in an astonished manner aimed at Chilco, not the first part of his sentence which mentions the result being the other way. I think that's it anyway. Cleared up.
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No not like football. Like people want to hear some news and are insisting that because they aren't and because they are not all over the news and TV that they aren't doing anything, didn't have a plan and are making it up as they go along.
It is much better that people speculate based on nothing than for the main players to come out with very early "provisional" thoughts that the media will then cut and edit and save waiting for the chance to say "you said this would happen and that you would do this".
Best for people to get on with their work behind closed doors away from the "dog with a bone" media and not come out until there is something real to tell them. You can't come out with maybes and possibles these days. It doesn't mean they didn't have a plan. The civil service have contingencys in place for all eventualities not just Brexit. They have to be prepared for anything so they always plan ahead for problems so that it is easier to deal with any eventuality.
What you see presented on TV is not made up as they go along. It is Politicians making choices based on extensive planning presented to them and experts advising them from one side and other advisors making sure they know how each choice will look etc. It is very complicated but made easier by the fact that plans for all eventualities are in place and just need decisions on which avenues within those plans are to be followed like a yes/no path.
I wasn't pointing fingers FLT, I understand there are plenty of people in your situation who understood the ramifocations of the referendum vote and will accept what happened despite the way the vote went.
I never wanted a referendum on this decision either because I don't believe the majority of the British public are well informed enough to be responsible for such a momentous decision (which isn't criticising the population, more just a comment on how little interest some people take in the way their lives are governed) but the fact is we were offered one and should now have to live with the consequences.
Waiting to hear news on football isn't even in the same realm as this. Not even a close analogy.
Anyway, I'll wait for news as patiently as I can.
I was asking Chilco , but you answered. You seem OK FLT, but at times ( like this) your quick response, it is not required nor welcome Imho.
Not quite. There are checks and balances, sure, but Obama has been rather effective despite considerable resistance. He hasn't been able to do anything about gun control, but his administration has had a tangible positive impact on the lives of ordinary working people, at least in the South Bronx where I was last month.
If Obama can do a great deal of good - and he has, in quiet ways - then Trump can do a similar anount of harm. Hopefully there is not a sufficiently large demographic of ignorant xenophobes to get him elected. Hopefully.
Bloody hell. I don't think there was any need for the last comment at all. I'll grant you your wish Jasper and keep my nose out of it. I would consider that last comment of yours a "snide remark"; just no need. It is clear there is a lot of tension around and I have tried so hard to remain measured in my posts. When emotions run high people need to try and keep things in check. There have been a dozen posts that I've written over the last two days, that I re-read and decided to change incase people were offended or I felt I'd inneccessairly poked something. You just poked me there.
I'll be off the politics thread from now.
By the way, re-read my original post as I've already realised that and edited it to say so, before your post above. I am decent like that.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves . . .
Calling Farage a 'politician', gives politicians a bad name that does.
Calling Farage a 'politician', gives politicians a bad name that does.
I am simplifying. The Club obviously had a plan. They have talked for years about how they are prepared for any eventuality. That doesn't mean things are seamless. It means that when something happens they have contingency plans and in the case of the manager they have several options and then explore those options. They then might have to alter their choices as situations change and come to another option.
They don't come out right at the beginning and say. Koeman is leaving and x will be our planned new manager. They go through the options and alter their plans and then only speak once they have got it all sorted.
I am simplifying what happens behind closed doors and we only see what the media are given and how the media want to present/portray it.
It doesn't mean there wasn't a plan, it doesn't mean they are sitting on their hands. It just means that they are working through the plan as things stand at this point and they would have to alter bits and pieces that they have already worked through as the situation changes. Other events will alter parts of things that a week ago would have been the "preferred option".
My Dad is a retired civil servant of 40 years service. It is a very big machine that is prepared for all sorts of things. It isn't as simple as we've lost a winger so we'll buy a winger. There are multiple daily and hourly events all having effects on a huge number of decisions and the machines is continually having to alter small parts because of daily/hourly events and altering those decisions then has a domino effect on other decisions. It is very very complicated stuff.
I don't think many people understand just how many civil servants are employed in Whitehall alone before thinking about across the country.and they have been reduced year on year in recent times. We are talking more employees than any business in England by a large large margin.
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