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Ah, the proposal to make all schools academies, that Cameron said, 10 days ago would be given "booster rockets" to push it through, and that Nicky Morgan said had "no reverse gear".
They even tried to bury the climb down, by announcing it on election results day, to minimise the media coverage.
Sadiq Khan giving his first speech in City Hall as Mayor of London.
That man with his back turned is Paul Golding of 'Britain First'.
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That man with his back turned is Paul Golding of 'Britain First'.
And my own personal favourite mocking response to some of the racist vitriol that's come out since...
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EU referendum: Cameron warns UK exit could put peace at risk.
Peace in Europe could be at risk if Britain votes to leave the European Union, David Cameron has warned.
The UK has regretted "turning its back" on Europe in the past, the PM said, arguing the EU had "helped reconcile" countries and maintain peace.
Was leaving the union a "risk worth taking", Mr Cameron asked.
But ex-London mayor Boris Johnson hit back, saying the EU's "anti-democratic tendencies" was "a force for instability and alienation".
The Vote Leave campaign said: "During the renegotiation the PM said he 'ruled nothing out'. Now he thinks leaving the EU would lead to war. What changed?"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36243296
Scary tactics everywhere from both sides. It's going to get worse and worse as well. Why the hell did Cameron bring up the war dead?
Peace in Europe could be at risk if Britain votes to leave the European Union, David Cameron has warned.
The UK has regretted "turning its back" on Europe in the past, the PM said, arguing the EU had "helped reconcile" countries and maintain peace.
Was leaving the union a "risk worth taking", Mr Cameron asked.
But ex-London mayor Boris Johnson hit back, saying the EU's "anti-democratic tendencies" was "a force for instability and alienation".
The Vote Leave campaign said: "During the renegotiation the PM said he 'ruled nothing out'. Now he thinks leaving the EU would lead to war. What changed?"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36243296
Scary tactics everywhere from both sides. It's going to get worse and worse as well. Why the hell did Cameron bring up the war dead?
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Both sides have indeed been, well crap. Little in the way of reasoned arguments or even honesty about why they wish a certain outcome. It does not reflect well on how our current batch of politicians perceive us, the electorate. Interested to know if anyone has altered their position because of the stuff being thrown at us, or even if you know anyone who has?
Words taken out of context by a media in search of a sensationalist headline.
What Cameron actually said; "In the postwar years [Churchill] argued passionately for Europe to come together, to promote free trade, to build institutions which would endure so our continent would never again see such bloodshed".
What Cameron actually said; "In the postwar years [Churchill] argued passionately for Europe to come together, to promote free trade, to build institutions which would endure so our continent would never again see such bloodshed".
Still used to make it sound like the EU is the only thing keeping peace. His speech like 99% coming from both sides is fear tactics.
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“Can we be so sure that peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking? I would never be so rash as to make that assumption,”
“As I sit around that table with 27 other prime ministers and presidents, we remember that it is pretty extraordinary that countries are working together to solve disputes and problems. We should listen to the voices that say Europe had a violent history, we’ve managed to avoid that and so why put at risk the things that achieve that?”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...rejects-claims-of-hyperbole-over-brexit-risks
Nato has done far more then the EU has. Cameron is trying to make it sound otherwise. I say this as a person who will vote stay.
The long-awaited report into the Iraq War will be published on 6 July, inquiry head Sir John Chilcot has said.
Sir John said national security vetting of the report had been completed and it would be published without any material being redacted.
Relatives of the 179 British service personnel killed in Iraq between 2003 and 2009 would get "early sight" of the report, he added.
Prime Minister David Cameron said the publication date was "good news".
A spokesman for Tony Blair, who led the UK into military action and gave evidence twice to the inquiry, said the former PM "welcomed the fact that a date has been set for the publication of the report".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36251346
Sir John said national security vetting of the report had been completed and it would be published without any material being redacted.
Relatives of the 179 British service personnel killed in Iraq between 2003 and 2009 would get "early sight" of the report, he added.
Prime Minister David Cameron said the publication date was "good news".
A spokesman for Tony Blair, who led the UK into military action and gave evidence twice to the inquiry, said the former PM "welcomed the fact that a date has been set for the publication of the report".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36251346
He specifically mentions NATO multiple times.
"What I'm saying is simply this: the EU is one of the institutions, one of the organisations that has helped bring peace to our continent. NATO has played a very clear role, the relationships between different countries have played a very clear role, but there's no doubt in my mind that the European Union has helped bring former adversaries together. Can we know what would happen if we were to leave, and Europe were to change back to what it was? We can't know. But is it a risk worth taking? And I would argue, that when we've got the best of both worlds, when we're in the single market but out of the Euro, when we can work and travel freely, but we can keep our borders. When you've got the best of both worlds, then go for the strength in numbers that membership of the European Union and membership in NATO give us. And in the end, as Prime Minister, that's your responsibility. To speak both frankly to the British people, about how we strengthen our economy, how we safeguard our people, and how we ensure a strong Britain in the world. That's what this is all about.
And you don't call that scaremongering?
"Can we know what would happen if we were to leave, and Europe were to change back to what it was? We can't know. But is its risk worth taking?"
Like I said at first both sides are doing it. You may not see it as such but I do. He is also trying to make the EU bigger then it is. I still will be voting stay, as the leave campaign have said jack ****.
I suppose electoral fraud doesn't count as corruption in the eyes of Mr Cameron. Not a particularly smart comment made by the PM following the expenses scandal whose own party members are under investigation by eight police forces irrespective of the fact that the remarks were made to our unelected head of state. Still, the UK has a better record as bombing civilians and extra-judicial killings than at corruption where it's record is, perhaps , more honourable.
The other point about the EU and security of course is that the attitude of EU leaders towards public opinion (the constitution debacle being the best example of this) has indirectly lead to a cross-European rise of far-right parties that oppose a lot of what the EU wants. I'm reasonably sure a lot of people end up voting for these parties because they believe the current EU leaders aren't interested in what the people think. Unless EU leaders are prepared to listen and change some of their policies (and I've seen no evidence to suggest they are) I'm not sure where it will end - a far-right candidate recently finished first in the first round of voting for Austrian president and may still become president. I believe his party are leading in the polls over there. I find it hard to believe that's good for European security.