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- Doing The Lambert Walk said:
This seems to be winning some plaudits.

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Quite amusing but not really much more than a bit childish itself, really.

Also, as much as I don't agree with Corbyn's politics I don't think it's fair to depict him as being childish.
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Is it OK to show Cameron / Farron / Osborne / Boris as childish?

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Onionman said:
Is it OK to show Cameron / Farron / Osborne / Boris as childish?

Vin
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Based on some of the god awful 'humour' I see Cameron and co employ and all the shouting with Mr Bercow screaming to retain control, I'm going to say yes.

But that goes for parliament in general.

(But to seriously answer your question, not really - what I took from that broadcast: here's an opportunities and childish depiction of cherry-picked moments, courtesy of a party who spent more time slating opponents than promoting their policies)
 
saintrichie123 said:
His name was linked a couple of years ago......
When Cameron publicly slated Alan Carr for tax evasion, a journalist asked him how come it was ok for for his dad to to have made a fortune evading tax with offshore accounts........Cameron refused to answer and got away sharpish.
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Wasn't it Jimmy Carr and tax avoidance? Both are different animals.
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6971411.html

Lawyers for the HMRC had themselves “blamed austerity for not being able to do their job” in previous tax evasion cases that then fell apart, Mr Maugham said.

“It’s the Treasury’s fault, because of its curious policy for starving its only revenue raising department of the resource it needs to raise tax.

“It is the consequence of an ill-thought-through manifesto to prioritise the closing of the deficit at the expense of all.”
 
David Cameron intervened personally to prevent offshore trusts from being dragged into an EU-wide crackdown on tax avoidance, it has emerged.

In a 2013 letter to the then president of the European council, Herman Van Rompuy, the prime minister said that trusts should not automatically be subject to the same transparency requirements as companies.

The EU planned to shine a light on the dealings of offshore bodies by publishing a central register of their ultimate owners but, in a letter unearthed by the Financial Times that remains publicly available on the government’s website, Cameron said: “It is clearly important we recognise the important differences between companies and trusts … This means that the solution for addressing the potential misuse of companies – such as central public registries – may well not be appropriate generally.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ffshore-funds/

During his visit to visit to the Ocado Customer Fulfilment Centre in Hatfield, when Mr Osborne was asked: "Do you now or will you in the future benefit from any offshore funds?", he responded by saying the current Government has done more than "any other previous British Government" to ensure "people pay the taxes that are owed".

He was then asked a second time "are you going to benefit at all?" and again avoided answering the question directly.

The chancellor said: "As I say, all of our interests, as ministers and MPs, are declared in the register in member's interests and we have made our position very clear
 
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Well with Cameron and chums in deep water over their offshore accounts or inheritances they choose to deflect from it in the biggest way possible by spending £9m of tax payers money sending out pamphlets promoting the EU. Yet again keeping their own monies hidden away while the leave side spend honestly raised funds.

This is of course before the restrictions come in and apportion money to designated groups. This is the government, spending our money, promoting something to us while their opposition have no such access to "free money".

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762
 
ImpSaint said:
Well with Cameron and chums in deep water over their offshore accounts or inheritances they choose to deflect from it in the biggest way possible by spending £9m of tax payers money sending out pamphlets promoting the EU. Yet again keeping their own monies hidden away while the leave side spend honestly raised funds.

This is of course before the restrictions come in and apportion money to designated groups. This is the government, spending our money, promoting something to us while their opposition have no such access to "free money".

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116762
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Well the people who voted the government in knew they would campaign to remain in the EU, so I can't see there's much wrong there.
 
The govt is not neutral on this issue, nor should they be. This is the biggest issue facing our country in a generation, and I expect the govt of the day to put it's case and present the public with the facts as they see them.

They can send me a bill for my leaflet if they like. Comes to around 38p per household I believe. And I'm pretty sure Brexit could end up costing me and my family a lot more than that.
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
Well the people who voted the government in knew they would campaign to remain in the EU, so I can't see there's much wrong there.
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Not all the government are pro EU though. I do feel it is a waste of cash. Even though I am leaning to stay in the EU.
 
Beefy said:
Not all the government are pro EU though. I do feel it is a waste of cash. Even though I am leaning to stay in the EU.
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Just yesterday, I had someone knock at the door. He said, Hi, as you know there is an upcoming vote on the European Union, whether to stay in or leave. As you may or may not know, there are some valid arguments for voting in either direction. At this point he handed me a pamphlet. I thought that he was being very helpful so I stayed with him. Then his patter began to pall. He said. You probably don't know what the European Union does or why the UK should leave. We... I held up my hand. You've just made a big assumption there. You have no idea whether I know anything about the European Union or more than yourself. If arguments for and against are reasonably equally valid, as you say, then maybe it comes down to instinct and preference of the overall political and economic landscape. In terms of the European Union I'm an inclusionist. I'm a British European and I think the EU is valid. In a global economy it makes little sense to make one's voice smaller. Our differences and diversity within the Union are also not a weakness, but a strength. If those were the only advantages, when everything else was reasonably equal then that would be enough for me to vote to stay within the EU just as it was a very good idea to enter it in the first place.
I was a bit surprised by my own voice. The guy had completely taken me aback at first because my head was still dealing with a technical hardware matter on my table. Oh, he said. Oh well then, you have a good day, and I returned the hope for him and thanked him for his time. When I opened the pamphlet I realised that his chief argument for leaving the EU was really a fear of the unknown. He was scared of the immigration figures and how many refugees we would be taking into this country if the circumstances remained. In truth, he was scared we might be overrun. He wanted to wrestle back control. I'm half British-Italian. How can I refuse entry to valid refugees and people who want to improve their life prospects. We aren't going to be overrun. Besides, there are more welcoming countries in mainland Europe to end up in. And they're easier to get into. We're just too busy trying to pull up the drawbridge to notice.
 
Beefy said:
Not all the government are pro EU though. I do feel it is a waste of cash. Even though I am leaning to stay in the EU.
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I think the "out" campaign are also getting public funding for a leaflet. In general elections, all parties get a leaflet delivered free in every constituency where they have a candidate. It gives everyone a chance to state their case.
 
Archers Road said:
I think the "out" campaign are also getting public funding for a leaflet. In general elections, all parties get a leaflet delivered free in every constituency where they have a candidate. It gives everyone a chance to state their case.
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If that is true then it's even more of a waste of cash.:emoticon-0110-tongu
 
David Cameron admits he profited from father's offshore fund
David Cameron has admitted he profited from his late father’s offshore investment fund, which was revealed in the Panama Papers as having avoided paying tax in the UK.

The prime minister sold his stake in the Blairmore fund for more than £30,000 just four months before entering Downing Street.

Speaking after almost a week of refusing to comment on the leak but issuing four statements, Cameron said he and his wife, Samantha, held 5,000 units in the Blairmore Investment Trust from 1997 to January 2010.

The stake was purchased for £12,497 and sold for £31,500, giving the Camerons a £19,003 profit, £300 below the capital gains tax allowance. The prime minister insisted they declared the annual dividends they received from the investment, and paid full income tax on any returns.

I wonder what will be found next?

Another article on it:
http://www.theguardian.com/news/201...-profited-fathers-offshore-fund-panama-papers
 
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