Trump supporters are messed up.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...roped-outside-wisconsin-trump-rally/82397848/
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Jeremy Corbyn is calling on David Cameron to recall parliament to discuss and resolve the issue involving Tata Steel.
Cameron is currently on holiday in Lanzarote and business secretary Sajid Javid is in Australia.
Javid refused interview requests earlier today.
Cameron is currently on holiday in Lanzarote and business secretary Sajid Javid is in Australia.
Javid refused interview requests earlier today.
Fair enough too. The steel industry is too important. The Welsh Assembly has been recalled.
Cameron is currently on holiday in Lanzarote
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That seems difficult to believe.
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That seems difficult to believe.
Wouldn't it be better to carry on trying to come to some solution with all parties involved rather than wasting time hurling insults at each other in Parliament?
Sajid Javid is on his way back from Australia where he had been on a 3 day trade trip. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35923626
Sajid Javid is on his way back from Australia where he had been on a 3 day trade trip. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35923626
He's quite thick skinned......or he doesn't give a damn!
But it's the caring, sharing kind of not giving a damn.
But it's the caring, sharing kind of not giving a damn.
I think he's quite right in not recalling parliament, to be honest. Unless someone can do something to stop the Chinese from subsidising their industry and dumping cheap steel on the market, nothing will change. And a load of schoolboys hurling insults at each other in parliament won't make any difference. The only thing which can be hoped for is that the trade minister can persuade Tata to hold off for a little while. Hopefully there may be some subsidies (similar to the banks) which can help - but then they may fall foul of EU law ............ tough one.
And, hey, there's nothing wrong with holidaying in Lanzarote. I was there earlier this year and it was a great break ..............
TTIP at the moment I would say will pass with of course minor tinkering around the edges to appease some politicians that want to appear to have 'argued for change' a bit like Cameron did with his renegotiations.
That is how the EU works. It puts forward a plan. They WILL implement that plan. If it does not get passed in the parliament then the wording is altered and then they vote again.
This is how the EU do everything. On 3 occasions when a referendum has resulted in a No vote (Denmark 93, Ireland 2002, 2009) they rework their message but it is the same treaty the referendum is voting on and the vote changes. They tinker with the wording or amend something meaningless parts that were only added in to show that they were prepared to compromise.
The parts of TTIP are being voted through separately at the moment and whilst things are changing slightly I would suggest that if TTIP was ready now then it would pass now!!! And extract of what the position was a year ago:
At this point, based on the previous voting record of MEPs corroborated with the results of the EP elections in 2014, one could foresee that a majority of EU parliamentarians are in favour of TTIP in general. In May 2013, a comfortable majority of 460 Members (78%) voted the ‘go ahead’ for the start of negotiations. These came from among the groups of the European People’s Party (EPP), Socialists (S&D), Liberals and Democrats (ALDE), Conservatives and Reformists (ECR) and the Eurosceptic EFDD group.
The only ones opposing at that time were the radical-left and green Members, as well as most of the non-attached nationalists. Interestingly, however, a small minority of MEPs in the big groups did not support the mandate: the Hungarian EPP delegation (coming from Viktor Orban’s party, who had started at that time to have differences with its European and American counterparts) and the French and Belgian French-speaking socialists (traditionally the most protectionist from among all S&D Members).
People do need to read up on TTIP and because we know how the EU works we know that TTIP will get passed in one way or another because the EU do not do U turns. They just change the way they describe what they want to do. The reason that TTIP has taken so long is because every vote on every part of the deal has had to go to the traditional second vote where lots of make-weight politicians do a Cameron and shout about how they are fighting for concessions and when the predictable concession comes, that was prepared for before the first vote, the make-weight politicians proclaim themselves victorious and vote to pass that part.
Think about Cameron and his 'hard fought concessions'. The working class British were saying "They're taking our jobs". They never said "They're taking our benefits". Cameron is only trying to convince those that aren't at the bottom fighting for those jobs that the problem was migrants claiming welfare. Labour politicians say the same though. They all (LibLabCon) ignore and deny that loads of people lost their jobs. Somehow the steel industry is headline news whereas cabbages, chickens, eggs, carrots and the rest of the food production sector weren't.
We hear a lot about 'The British workers don't want to do these jobs' however you have to ask why were they doing them before 2004, yet by 2006 more than 50% of them weren't anymore!!! Most food factories That change in 2 years did not happen because Brits suddenly decided they were above that kind of work.
The summary of this article suggests that TTIP is likely to pass however it is from last year and TTIP is gaining a lot of opposition mainly because for once the EU hasn't managed to push it through without normal people knowing about it:
https://theconversation.com/can-the-european-parliament-save-us-from-ttip-43195
That is how the EU works. It puts forward a plan. They WILL implement that plan. If it does not get passed in the parliament then the wording is altered and then they vote again.
This is how the EU do everything. On 3 occasions when a referendum has resulted in a No vote (Denmark 93, Ireland 2002, 2009) they rework their message but it is the same treaty the referendum is voting on and the vote changes. They tinker with the wording or amend something meaningless parts that were only added in to show that they were prepared to compromise.
The parts of TTIP are being voted through separately at the moment and whilst things are changing slightly I would suggest that if TTIP was ready now then it would pass now!!! And extract of what the position was a year ago:
At this point, based on the previous voting record of MEPs corroborated with the results of the EP elections in 2014, one could foresee that a majority of EU parliamentarians are in favour of TTIP in general. In May 2013, a comfortable majority of 460 Members (78%) voted the ‘go ahead’ for the start of negotiations. These came from among the groups of the European People’s Party (EPP), Socialists (S&D), Liberals and Democrats (ALDE), Conservatives and Reformists (ECR) and the Eurosceptic EFDD group.
The only ones opposing at that time were the radical-left and green Members, as well as most of the non-attached nationalists. Interestingly, however, a small minority of MEPs in the big groups did not support the mandate: the Hungarian EPP delegation (coming from Viktor Orban’s party, who had started at that time to have differences with its European and American counterparts) and the French and Belgian French-speaking socialists (traditionally the most protectionist from among all S&D Members).
People do need to read up on TTIP and because we know how the EU works we know that TTIP will get passed in one way or another because the EU do not do U turns. They just change the way they describe what they want to do. The reason that TTIP has taken so long is because every vote on every part of the deal has had to go to the traditional second vote where lots of make-weight politicians do a Cameron and shout about how they are fighting for concessions and when the predictable concession comes, that was prepared for before the first vote, the make-weight politicians proclaim themselves victorious and vote to pass that part.
Think about Cameron and his 'hard fought concessions'. The working class British were saying "They're taking our jobs". They never said "They're taking our benefits". Cameron is only trying to convince those that aren't at the bottom fighting for those jobs that the problem was migrants claiming welfare. Labour politicians say the same though. They all (LibLabCon) ignore and deny that loads of people lost their jobs. Somehow the steel industry is headline news whereas cabbages, chickens, eggs, carrots and the rest of the food production sector weren't.
We hear a lot about 'The British workers don't want to do these jobs' however you have to ask why were they doing them before 2004, yet by 2006 more than 50% of them weren't anymore!!! Most food factories That change in 2 years did not happen because Brits suddenly decided they were above that kind of work.
The summary of this article suggests that TTIP is likely to pass however it is from last year and TTIP is gaining a lot of opposition mainly because for once the EU hasn't managed to push it through without normal people knowing about it:
https://theconversation.com/can-the-european-parliament-save-us-from-ttip-43195
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Did the US stop it by putting a massive import tariff on it, to stop American companies from using it?
Quite!!! The Yanks are never interventionist are they!?!?!? Nothing like free trade trade... Absolutely nothing like free trade...Not sure it was massive ...
Ours is 9%, the US is 200%!!
Not sure it was massive ...
Ours is 9%, the US is 200%!!
266%
You should remember the last time the US imposed steel tariffs and they backfired:
The protection of the steel industry in the United States had unintended consequences and perverse effects: it reduced production of steel in the United States, increased costs to users, and increased unemployment in associated industries.
And the US loves a tariff battle:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/wto-say...in-tariffs-on-u-s-over-meat-labels-1449508424
What seems to have been missed is that the tariff on UK steel is proposed to be 30% while we abide with the EU's current tariff on Chinese steel of 16%.
The US
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I make no excuses for putting this on two threads [the International thread as well] as people need to notice this. This news has surfaced and resurfaced several times. Panorama even ran an investigation about it. It's forced labour, with people living in tents in camps, having their passports removed, and living on very poor pay. FIFA, of course, did nothing. Qatar said they would look into it. Qatar has said that several times. How many times must they look before they find ? Unless they aren't looking. This is people's lives for a stupid football tournament. The unimportance of which pales into comparison to what people have to put up with to allow it to happen.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35931031
So remember when you settle down to watch Qatar 2022 that it was built on the backs of these people. I think it requires boycotting. I hope I remember to do so when the time comes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35931031
So remember when you settle down to watch Qatar 2022 that it was built on the backs of these people. I think it requires boycotting. I hope I remember to do so when the time comes.