Which (occasionally) leads to consensus - The greatest good, or at least, the least harm. We need a 'sensible' party, but it would never catch on
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Crossed my mind this morning, quite a dilemma either to embed a defector into their ranks or sit back and watch it self-destruct.
The reality is it is a good thing for Badenoch but not the Tories themselves. It bolsters Kemi's position as she looks decisive and in charge but at the same time the defection(s) give the impression that the party's "big names" now think reform is the better chance of top 2 come the next GE.
While some of the names may raise eyebrows the reality is it keeps the momentum for reform and the more people believe they will the the main opposition from the right at a GE the more will vote for them "when the polls narrow" before a GE as people do move to the actual contenders.
So good for Badenoch. She looks like a leader and got rid of her main internal opponent in one foul swoop! But the Tory brand increasingly looks like its had it when its own people are jumping ship.
This is not the "past 30 years!" This is now! Not a lot more needs to be said. The lefties are starting to poll away from the centre left and the righties are as well from the centre right.
The Green's rise is down to reform's success as well. Once one group shows it is possible to get ahead of the established parties, others gain in confidence as well as normal folks that may have been "would be" switchers for years but felt the need to stick with the big beast to beat the othe big beast.
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Embarrassing! Like getting a sticker for being a good boy at the dentist.
Most people lead very privileged lives in this country by historical standards. Most people want a sensible, central ish government to sensibly look after their income, assets and wealth. Most people know greens and far right or far left parties (I don't actually think this country has any of these...) would be a ****ing disaster.
It would be foolish a significant amount has changed in 20 months.
Side note, if reform gets many defections from "establishment" parties. They must become establishment themselves.
I don’t think so many people are leading those privileged lives anymore. Look around you; older people, like me, had privileged lives, cheap housing, well paid jobs, and are now looking forward to or enjoying generous pensions. Almost none of that is readily available to our children and grandchildren. Younger people are angry because they can see that privilege being taken away.
If the lazy little ****ers had got out of bed and voted remain then their future would have been a lot brighter.
Actually spot on. We are where we are because of apathy in 2016 and now 'outrage' stirred up by the social media (I won't say media because Facebook, Twitter and Tick Tock isnt media).
That plus the well documented lies and mis/disinformation in the Telegraph, Mail, Express and the rest of the leave gutter press.
Think there's more to it than that personally. Even without that we'd still have the ticking time bomb of people living longer and far less young people owning homes/having pensions than 30-40 years ago.
I think 45 years of libertarian economic policy has had something to do with it too.
When I joined the workforce, public services were in public hands, housing was a necessity not a free market free for all, education was a right not an expensive privilege, most people were members of Trade Unions, there was, by and large, a bond of trust and mutual obligation between employees and employers, public servants served the public interest (or were at least expected to), you knew your bank manager, and if you needed to you could phone a responsible human at the electricity/gas/water board etc.
As for Brexit, yeah it’s impoverished us all. But you’ll find similar problems with widening inequality and limited opportunities, in just about every European country, as well as the USA and Canada.
I have no illusions that what pensions I do get come retirement will be worth a lot less than what my parents have and what my grandparents had if anything at all. I will likely have to work far longer than either of them did too.
The world has changed a lot. That 45 years coincides with the break up of "job for life" where people had a connection with their workplace and most people would remain working for that company unless they got the boot. workplace social clubs where workers would socialise together at night. These days there is no connection, no loyalty and people look at a few years then moving on as being "loyal."
Trade Unions at that point kinda lost their point in my eyes, and the "bond of trust" you talk about non existent when employer knows the liklihood is this person will be here a few years tops and the employee themselves also know it.
Trump has theeatened 10% tariffs on countries opposing his theft of Greenland. He is absolutely bat **** crazy
I think we need to start seeing the US as no longer being an ally.
I think we need to start seeing the US as no longer being an ally.