Off Topic Politics Thread

[tomw24]

The BBC article about the Conservative Party conference is fascinating. No one has turned up ! The halls are empty and the media is barely recovering to report the event.

It is amazing that it has come to this and I am not sure they can ever recover.

I just feel that if Labour get their act in gear, they will never get voted out of office. I still think people will suss Farage out before the next election and the press will go for him at some point. The next election is Labour's to lose.

Of course they will! No party ever stays popular with the public indefinitely.

 

[Ian Thumwood]

Of course they will! No party ever stays popular with the public indefinitely.

I think that the Conservatives are finished. The will finish behind the Liberals in the next election. Defeat Reform and the election is Labour's to lose. The Tories will not bounce back.

 

[tomw24]

I think that the Conservatives are finished. The will finish behind the Liberals in the next election. Defeat Reform and the election is Labour's to lose. The Tories will not bounce back.

If the Tories are indeed finished Reform will replace them. There will always be an opposition party that has decent public support. I suspect the Tories will bounce back at some point when people realise that Reform is simply not a viable party to run the country. It will likely take them winning the next GE for that to happen though.

 

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Ultimately the vast majority of voters in this country are centre right. Not only will there always be a Tory party in some guise or other, but it would be undemocratic if there wasn’t.

 

[Libby]

Tories will recover but it won't be until after the next election.

 

[ImpSaint]

Trump …
“America is respected again as a country. We were not respected with Biden. They looked at him falling down stairs every day. Every day, the guy’s falling down stairs.”

Trump continued: “I said: ‘It’s not our president. We can’t have it.’ I’m very careful, you know, when I walk downstairs for – like I’m on stairs, like these stairs, I’m very – I walk very slowly. Nobody has to set a record, just try not to fall because it doesn’t work out well. A few of our presidents have fallen and it became a part of their legacy.

“We don’t want that. Need to walk nice and easy. You not have – you don’t have to set any record. Be cool, be cool when you walk down, but don’t, don’t bop down the stairs. That’s the one thing with Obama, I had zero respect for him as a president, but he would bop down those stairs, I’ve never seen – da da da da da da, bop, bop, bop, he’d go down the stairs, wouldn’t hold on. I said, it’s great, I don’t want to do it. I guess I could do it, but eventually bad things are going to happen and it only takes once, but he did a lousy job as president.”

WTF???

Biden falling down the stairs was a massive meme for a long time after it happened and still gets used regularly! No surprise that the Twitter president is very aware of it.

 

[ImpSaint]

Nothing uplifting in that guilded doghouse.

I bet a few of the women (not naming names) in the whitehouse have had a lot "uplifted." Probably some of the men as well, ha, ha.

 

[ImpSaint]

£5000 for your first home when you get your first job is like offering 50p off a brand new Ferrari when you claim Universal Credit.

I'll take it on top of the £24k discount I get on right to buy. Jobs a good un. Oh its only for the kids. Damn those Tories and their discrimnation

 

[ImpSaint]

£5k is actually a good chunk of a first time deposit, particularly with 5% mortgages becoming more accessible. Especially for those buying as a couple.

The issue with that policy is that cash handouts don't fix a broken system. It's simply papering over the cracks and as we have seen with other schemes that aim to improve buying power, it could be inflationary.

100% agree but you could extend that outwards to the welfare system how it is now where the genuine needy get shafted because everybody gets an Oprah these days for all sorts of spurious illnesses!

 

[ImpSaint]

I don’t think the vast majority of people working their first jobs can afford a home in the current climate with £5k towards a mortgage.

Its not a policy that they will need to enact, even if a miracle happened and they recovered in time, because there will be no jobs for first time folks by 2029. lol.

 

[ImpSaint]

They don't need to use the money whilst in their first job. They get rebates of up to £5k put into a savings account of their choice whilst working their first job. So you save £5k over the course of your first job, which can then be used on a deposit (or whatever you choose). The issue isn't the amount being given, its that they aren't actually fixing a problem, they're simply throwing money at it.

This is what every government of this modern "third way" has done every time anyway. free money all round, handouts for headaches and stress, tax credits for top ups instead of employers paying a market rate...........governments for 30 years+ have developed this system of welfare, not to help those that need help but to give out money to anyone in exchange for a vote.

On the flip..............Hmmm...........Tory party appeals to its ageing voters by offering big lump sum to the youngsters............that are very vocal in their hatred of the older generations! Hmmmm. vote winner there. lol

 

[ImpSaint]

Is there really any need to sound quite so condescending?

This is the current climate in the country. Anyone not on message is far right.

 

[Gregm1988]

£5000 for your first home when you get your first job is like offering 50p off a brand new Ferrari when you claim Universal Credit.

Is it even a straight 5k? A 5k tax rebate is different isn’t it? You’d get it at the end of the tax year? So cash flow might still be an issue. You’d actually need the 5k and it sounds like you get it after buying the house not just stating your intention? Unless I’ve misunderstood

 

[ImpSaint]

Is it even a straight 5k? A 5k tax rebate is different isn’t it? You’d get it at the end of the tax year? So cash flow might still be an issue. You’d actually need the 5k and it sounds like you get it after buying the house not just stating your intention? Unless I’ve misunderstood

Its a throwaway policy from a party that will never get to enact it. Lib Dems use this "free hit" style all the time...............and only got caught out once, when they went into coalition in 2010. Its very easy for parties that have no chance in the next election to propose anything because after the election, new leader, new direction, discard policy of the previous setup.

 

[milton archer]

The BBC article about the Conservative Party conference is fascinating. No one has turned up ! The halls are empty and the media is barely recovering to report the event.

It is amazing that it has come to this and I am not sure they can ever recover.

I just feel that if Labour get their act in gear, they will never get voted out of office. I still think people will suss Farage out before the next election and the press will go for him at some point. The next election is Labour's to lose.

I agree with the general thrust of your comment but I watched the Green Party political broadcast last night and was well impressed with Zack Polanski

 

[tiggermaster]

I watched the Green Party broadcast aswell. Like a Labour Party Broadcast from the early 60s. An earnest left wing politician walking the back streets of some poor neighbourhood. Not one mention of any green policies. Not one mention of how tackling the climate change and promoting social policies are mutually compatible. It could have been made in black and white. In fact not one mention of green polcies at all. Lets save the planet and provide a decent enviroment for our grand kids by not addressing the issues.

 

[The Ides of March]

The BBC article about the Conservative Party conference is fascinating. No one has turned up ! The halls are empty and the media is barely recovering to report the event.

It is amazing that it has come to this and I am not sure they can ever recover.

I just feel that if Labour get their act in gear, they will never get voted out of office. I still think people will suss Farage out before the next election and the press will go for him at some point. The next election is Labour's to lose.

I would never write off the Conservatives. Although Reform.appear to being doing well in the opinión polls, the City will ensure they don't get elected, while our "favourites" rags will find room to get behind the "Tories" as scandals are unearthed about Reform.in the next 3 or 4 years.

Although with their attempt to emulate Reform or even outdo Reform, they will continue to lose moderate Conservatives to other parties or just won't bother turning up at the polling booth. What has happened to the party that used to put the economy as the central plank of their policies? What has happened to the party that advocated vociferously for the UK to join Europe economically and socially? I wonder how that party would have evolved if Ted Heath had seen off Thatcher? It is very sad!

 

[Archers Road]

I would never write off the Conservatives. Although Reform.appear to being doing well in the opinión polls, the City will ensure they don't get elected, while our "favourites" rags will find room to get behind the "Tories" as scandals are unearthed about Reform.in the next 3 or 4 years.

You are assuming that “the City” has the best interests of the U.K. economy at heart. In fact there is no reason to believe that the assorted hedge fund managers, disaster capitalists, and US banks headquartered in the City are motivated by anything but their own short term interests.

 

[The Ides of March]

You are assuming that “the City” has the best interests of the U.K. economy at heart. In fact there is no reason to believe that the assorted hedge fund managers, disaster capitalists, and US banks headquartered in the City are motivated by anything but their own short term interests.

I am just looking at what happened when Truss became PM. Same would happen if Farage is anywhere near becoming PM. They will accept another Sunak though but at the moment the Tories do not have anyone of that calibre, not that Sunak was particularly wonderful, but perhaps he had the support of the vested interests you have highlighted as he carried out policies they favoured.

 

[Archers Road]

I am just looking at what happened when Truss became PM. Same would happen if Farage is anywhere near becoming PM. They will accept another Sunak though but at the moment the Tories do not have anyone of that calibre, not that Sunak was particularly wonderful, but perhaps he had the support of the vested interests you have highlighted as he carried out policies they favoured.

A lot of people made a lot of money out of the financial crisis caused by Truss’ budget, including the Chancellor’s former boss, hedge fund manager Crispin Odey. Plenty like him will be rubbing their hands in glee at the opportunity to cash in again.