Ask the residents or whoever took those photos if they take those photos when there's a left wing march on.
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Why do people think that the 150,000 people that turned up to voice their discontent with the running of the country and immigration policies all agree with the 2 or 3 grifters that associate themselves with this sort of thing as their career.
The dismissive left that lump everyone into the same group and look down on them all as a collective are as bad as the likes of Fox and Robinson - maybe they aren't as aggressive, but they are certainly more naive.
The dismissive left that lump everyone into the same group and look down on them all as a collective are as bad as the likes of Fox and Robinson - maybe they aren't as aggressive, but they are certainly more naive.
Because those racist scumbags organised it and going was saying they are ok? If Epstein organised it, would you go?
Yaxley Lennon organised this and was championed on stage by the 2nd richest man in the world, he was front and centre; I seriously doubt this conceit that most there were holding their noses while marching shoulder to shoulder with him.
None of us like uncontrolled immigration, an ineffective and failing asylum system, massive processing backlogs, asylum seekers visibly packed into former hotels in our town centres.
I'd rather suffer the indignity of purposefully soiling myself on a crowded bus than be a fellow traveller of Robinson.
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Why were Bannon and Musk allowed to address this march ? They are American and South African respectively.
My wife is Asian and these types of protests worry and disgust me. Surprised Farago was not there too albeit probably laying low with his French partner.
My wife is Asian and these types of protests worry and disgust me. Surprised Farago was not there too albeit probably laying low with his French partner.
As you thought? You are surely not naive enough to think that people on left wing marches queue up for the loos like angels and only nasty right wingers wee up the wall. It is pretty obvious that its an angle they want to use as "look at these vile thugs" and for most of the time they have no need to use photos like these to support their case. It just makes them look silly because most people know that this will happen on the left wing marches too.
Anyways who cares. You can play naive if you want. that's your right too,
Do you think people should express their discontent in another way, perhaps at the ballot box? Well, they have done for a while now but because of our voting system they are still not represented. This is only going to get worse until politicians address the demands of their people... which is, you know, their job.
How? By lowering immigration levels? Done and will keep coming down.
Or by publicly coming out and condemning the whole of Islam? Because that is what this lot turn everything into.
Personally think you are spending far too much sympathy.
Even many moderates on the right look down upon the rest of us with disdain and disgust, where is the criticism for that?
Why should they be given empathy when they aren't willing to extend it themselves?
I'm sure many of the people that were there on Saturday hold less extreme views than the speakers, but maybe they should consider the company they are keeping? They aren't children that need coddling, they have a responsibility to not empower the far right which they absolutely did by attending, whether intentional or not. They can hold protests of their own without allying with Robinson, Fox, Musk etc
I don't want to put up walls and look down on people, but it often feels that if you hold left or center-left views you are criticized if you don't debate with a hand tied behind your back, meanwhile the right and center-right expect to dominate the conversation while offering no right of reply, at least in my experience. We are held to a much higher standard and criticized for far less, its frustrating to engage with.
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So much for sovereignty. European gravy train top table dinners to simpering US vassals, is literally the plan.
It's particularly disturbing those two creeps addressing 120k UK crowd from the comfort of their compounds 1000s of miles away, then just moving on with their day. It's like the UK is being tampered with.
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Genuinely I think Farage found this one too far to the right for him, he is careful to not associate with Robinson and Fox, that's why Musk turned on him.
Doesn't mean its out of principle necessarily, I think he recognizes it would be damaging to Reform to visibly stray too far. As much as I dislike him and what he stands for, he is extremely politically proficient.
Yes, its a calculated distance. He doesn't want the street level activism associations of European Fascism to be too close.
How many marches, of any hue, have you been on? I have only the evidence of my own experience to go on, going back to the early 1970’s, including, as I said, some very big demos. All I can say is that they were all well-stewarded, and that I never saw anything like that in the photo I posted. In 1971 I marched with CND from London to Aldermaston, and because we knew we were under scrutiny from the press, we all behaved ourselves. It may well be that nowadays some people, left and right and nothing in particular, don’t feel the same degree of self respect. That certainly wasn’t the case on the last March I went on in October 2019, before one of the Brexit votes in the Commons. Perhaps that doesn’t count as being left wing enough for you though, as the Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn was noticeably absent.
I daresay that maybe the "nowadays" comment i pretty much on the money although I doubt very much we are talking between 2019 and now!
I have never been on a march. I don't see how that makes much difference to this particular matter really. I've been in plenty of crowded places, concerts, sports events, fairs etc where people of (who knows what poitical leanings they are) get caught short or can't wait for their turn in the portaloo to know that the whole point of these photos is to present a "Look how disgusting these people I disagree with are" and its laughable that people ap it up.
Anyways, next time I see someone peeing down an alley or up a tree I will make a note of their face so I can record them in my little "most likely a fascist" book seeing as it seems most people actually believe the left leaning (aka normal folks in their eyes) have bladders of iron.
As for Brexit. I know its still news to you guys but a vast majority of those people that voted leave were Labour voters at the time! That they have crossed the divide is more on how the left has changed over time that broke the bond with the traditional voters which is another matter entirely! But then this is how politics is at the moment. The left do not represent the people that they used to..........and that is why we are at this point in the western world where people have no-one representing them and drift to the extremes.
The "you guys" comment was specifically towards the comment about anti-brexit being a left wing protest, which you alluded to, adding "not being left wing enough for me? because Corbyn was not there".............probably because he was not anti-brexit at all in the first place............because Brexit was not a right wing thing despite the remain camp trying to portray it as such!
So "you guys" meant anti brexiters! People who wanted to frame Brexit as being right wing, despite a big chunk of that vote being from traditional left wing voters!
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Brexit successfully conned people across the political spectrum, we can agree on that. Until Farage started kicking off about it in 2013-14, hardly anyone in this country saw our EU membership as any kind of issue, positive or negative. The sheer amount of false information spread by the Leavers, plus the incompetence of the Remain campaign (Corbyn being notably absent once again), plus the antics of Cambridge Analytica on Facebook, managed to persuade enough people that we had to leave. The fact that the benefits of leaving are still completely non-existent, and the disadvantages, the main one being uncontrolled immigration with no means of returning them, seems to be relatively unreported.
Farage himself is not far-right or a fascist, but he has most certainty mobilised those of that persuasion to help create the chaos he thrives on. As the quotation in my signature says, there is more that unites us than divides us, whether it be pertaining to the UK or to the greater circle of humankind. Farage and his cronies want to divide us, which is what Brexit was actually all about.
We will have to agree to disagree. The EU question was an issue way before 2013-14 especially heightened when Brown scurried off to sign the Lisbon Treaty on
You are right that the remain campaign were incompetent despite outspending the leave camp and co-ordinating between different remain groups, something that the leave camp were actually done for, despite several admissions from the remain groups that they held daily meetings to maximise their effect!
The Cambridge Analytica stuff while politically expedient at the time only differed very slightly from the Obama data harvesting for his re-election. Obama's app asked the user for permission to view their friends lists. It did not ask their friends for any permissions, so effectively it would be me saying "yea sure" and letting Obama's camp download however many friends my facebook has and the data appertaining to them. The CA one didn't ask permission at all. Both accessed the same sort of data for the same sort of reasons. The CA one's data was also "bought" from someone so the users were not told up front that their data would end up being used for political means.
However despite GDPR rules anything you take part in that records data will be sold! data is worth money and it is always shared. Ever wondered why if you sign up to indeed you suddenly get masses of unrelated companies suddenly spamming you with jobs? Ever wondered why when you use a comparison site you suddenly get loads of spam from unrelated insurance companies? Doesn't matter if you untick the "allow third parties" box. Your data will be sold!
I used to work for a marketing company when it was still sales reps on the ground and forms......it was pretty common practice back then and now so much data can be held digitally in such a small space I would say it is probably even more widespread now. No need to buy mass amounts of pages these days or 100 floppies full of info. The same amount of data that would fill a room of filing cabinets can be put on 1 flash drive or an SD card these days.
The scandal wasn't that CA was data harvesting because all the "good guys" had already been doing that for a while. It was that they didn't ask the first person permission. Both are shady as f***. In the Obama one it meant that you could end up being the target for constant promotion because a friend of a friend said yes!
Anyways. Not used facebook for ages. maybe years. I'm not interested in what my mates had for lunch or which route they jog. It was also far too leechy, very hard to go through all those privacy options and understand what everything actually means. Its a big complicated setup. Any site that asks you for your likes dislikes, interests blah blah gets a no from me.
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